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It’s not BEE holding SA economy back, it’s exclusive ownership, says Ramaphosa

In defence of BEE, President Cyril Ramaphosa says South Africa’s redress policies aren’t the issue stifling economic growth.
It’s not BEE holding SA economy back, it’s exclusive ownership, says Ramaphosa

“Why can’t black people be made to own productive aspects of work? Why can’t they be rich as well?” President Cyril Ramaphosa asked MPs in the House on Tuesday.

They were questions posed by the President in a lengthy response to a question from Freedom Front Plus (FF Plus) leader and MP Dr Corné Mulder, who asked, during a Q&A session in Parliament, whether Ramaphosa was prepared to develop an economic policy “that can make possible, real economic growth” in South Africa.

This “real, new economic policy”, as far as Mulder was concerned, needs to take a different approach with regard to “certain basic things” that he suggested Ramaphosa wasn’t prepared to do.

Mulder said these “certain basic things” related to black economic empowerment (BEE), employment equity, affirmative action and the Expropriation Act. (The FF Plus, a partner in SA’s 10-party broad coalition government, is strongly opposed to the aforementioned policies.)

“Are you prepared to do that?” Mulder asked Ramaphosa.

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The President delivered nothing short of a sharp klap in response, saying at several points in his speech that he was “baffled by people who still hanker [for] policies of the past.

“I’m rather surprised and taken aback when I hear that policies of black economic empowerment militate against the growth of our economy. That I find quite surprising, because I work from the starting point that our economy was held back over many years by the racist policies of the past. Those racist policies prevented all South Africans — or the majority of South Africans — [from playing] a meaningful role in the economy of their own country.

“Black people were brought in [as] hewers of wood and drawers of water. They were brought in as labourers, they were not even seen as consumers. They were not seen as active players in the economic landscape of our country.

“With democracy, what has now been happening and what we seek to see happening is the opening up of the economy; the broadening up of economic participation, which if you observe, Honourable Dr Mulder, you will actually see, and it’s right in your face,” said Ramaphosa.

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Ramaphosa’s response was delivered with a particular intensity, possibly as a result of the current spotlight on South Africa’s employment equity policies on the back of a new policy directive issued by the Department of Communications and Digital Technologies, which is looking at relaxing the regulations around BEE ownership for satellite internet service providers.

The move is seen as potentially paving the way for Starlink, the satellite internet company owned by the tech billionaire and de facto head of the US Department of Government Efficiency, Elon Musk, to operate in SA without ceding ownership. Race-based redress in its various forms in SA has been the subject of attacks from Musk and US President Donald Trump for months.

Ramaphosa’s statements also follow the DA’s challenge to Section 15A of the Employment Equity Amendment Act heard in the Gauteng Division of the High Court earlier this month.

Despite years of empowerment policies, deeply entrenched structural inequalities remain stubbornly resistant, which critics have pointed to as signs that the policies have failed to address the challenge of redress, Daily Maverick has reported. Critics claim BEE has enabled corruption and State Capture, with the DA’s Helen Zille equating redress with State Capture.

Ramaphosa said the Government of National Unity would spend “a considerable amount of hours” in the days to come discussing the economic strategy and trajectory that South Africa should pursue.

He continued: “Our ambition, Honourable Dr Mulder, is to make sure that our economy grows [more] than what the projections are currently.

“Our objective is to spread economic participation broadly, and I will hold on to the argument that the more we have previously disadvantaged people playing a role in the economy of their own country, the better it is.”

‘Concentration of ownership’


Ramaphosa referred to reports by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, which, he said, found that among the factors restricting South Africa’s economic growth was the level of market and capital ownership concentration.

“Concentration because, they said, the ownership of the economy is in far too few hands — ownership has not spread.

“Now, I find it very worrying that we continue to have this notion that BEE is the one that’s holding our economy back. It is the partial and exclusive ownership of the means of production in our country that is holding this economy [back] from growing,” said Ramaphosa.

“If we accept that the ownership of our economy is imbalanced, the clause on equality in our Constitution seeks to undo that; to redress that. So, therefore, ownership of our economy should be broadened.

“And I can tell you, Dr Mulder, there’s nothing that gives our people [as much] joy — particularly black people — as they go around and they find that this production facility’s owned by a black person. It warms one’s heart, it makes us feel so good. Because we’ve come from a horrible past where that was not allowed by law,” he said.

Ramaphosa added that in apartheid South Africa, one would never see black people featured in advertisements for everyday products such as milk or soap. And yet, today, black people appear in almost every advertisement for a South African product — a reflection of the growing realisation that they are key consumers and active economic players, according to Ramaphosa.

“Now, those that would want black people just to play the consumer role are truly mistaken. Black people must play a productive role as well,” he told the House.

“We must allow more and more people to play an important role in the economy of our country. And this is what baffles me by those who are opposed to black economic empowerment. I say, what do you want to see happening — do you want to see black people continuing to play the role of labourers, drawers of water, hewers of wood and consumers only? Why can’t black people be made to own productive aspects of work? Why can’t they be rich as well?

“Dr Mulder, you look at the Afrikaners, the history of your people. If you look at the history of your people, they were held back by the English and, with [the] latter days, they were enabled; they became more and more economically empowered… Why can’t the same be done for black people?” DM

Comments

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso May 28, 2025, 04:53 AM

The problems are these: - A FEW of our people are getting rich at the expense of MANY. - our business is being made uncompetitve, which hurts ALL of us. - our talent is being wasred, which hurts ALL of us. The way to really improve the lives of our people is to grow our economy and to educate us so we can make ourselves rich.

Louise Wilkins May 28, 2025, 05:37 PM

Agreed. Quality education right from day 1 in 1997 would mean we wouldn't need these policies.

kanusukh May 29, 2025, 01:13 PM

And where or who would produce the "quality" educators on day one, when the previous 'system' in place, was deliberately geared/skewed to prevent certain people from 'getting/accessing' it .. excluding the many purposely , while only a handful went to extraordinary lengths to overcome the obstacles ?

colin89 May 30, 2025, 10:37 AM

Its now 30 years later and there has been no improvement. Science and Mathematics no longer available as subjects in many schools.

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso May 28, 2025, 04:59 AM

BEE is clearly clearly short sighted populist politics, implemented poorly and ultimately counter productive for all South Africans.

Michael Ross May 28, 2025, 06:48 AM

Agree. It services very few and makes everyone else poorer. If government really want black economic participation, unlock title hold in traditional lands

Keith Wilson May 28, 2025, 07:11 AM

No right-thinking South African is opposed to Black economic empowerment. What we are opposed to is the idiotic and failed structure of the existing BBBEE policy. The ANC has already shown us what happens when you put underqualified people in charge of ministries, SOE's, et al. Jobs are much more important than Black Managers/Business Owners right now. Foreign investment, Education & Crime should be the focus. Oh, and put all the thieving politicians in jail.

Leon Torres May 28, 2025, 11:16 AM

Blacks (mostly) are still the hewers of wood and drawers of water when taken in context of todays jobs.

D'Esprit Dan May 28, 2025, 12:59 PM

In no small measure due to Angie Motshekga's Verwoedian basic education policies.

Leon Torres May 28, 2025, 02:01 PM

True, there is definitely culpability there. Question: If this was not an issue, would things be equal? Would people's ingrained perceptions suddenly dissipate?

D'Esprit Dan May 29, 2025, 09:05 AM

It's not a perception when you're trying to find good quality, qualified staff. It's a reality that too many of our younger generations are simply not educated for a 21st century workplace. The key issue for me, is that it is part of a broader, suffocating tapestry of outdated policy dogmatism (scant new mining investment in years for example), corruption (can't operate factories where no power, water or roads exist) and politicians looking after themselves.

Gavin Hillyard May 28, 2025, 02:04 PM

Sadly this is largely true. But it is because of a lack of skills as a result of our abominable education system. Get this right and business will take off. Get it wrong (like now) and watch SA Inc. spiral into the gutter

Gavin Hillyard May 28, 2025, 02:07 PM

BEE = Black Elitist enrichment. Nothing more, nothing less

Karl Sittlinger May 28, 2025, 07:23 AM

"Why can’t they (black people) be rich as well?" Oh they can, they just really cannot be called disadvantaged anymore and should no longer in any way participate in any BEE schemes. This is about looting and stealing from SA tax payers at the cost of the economy, and we all know it. This was no sharp klap in response, just more lies and ignored facts by CR and the ANC.

Leon Torres May 28, 2025, 10:50 AM

"ignored facts" - agreed "more lies" - please point them out to me, I either missed them or just don't know The truth is, to stimulate economic growth is not a single over-simplified answer, it will always be complex. The way BEE, BBBEE etc. has been unsuccessfully implemented plays a part, concentrated ownership (and power) of the economy, corruption... and the list goes on. My first question to both Dr Mulder (and his ilk) and to the President (and his ilk), what does the endgame look like, if it happens to even be in the same ball park, then the second question to each is, how do we get there. Then we just need someone to step into the middle and consolidate (not Musk).

D'Esprit Dan May 28, 2025, 01:04 PM

I think the starting point is to acknowledge two things: it is absolutely critical that we bridge the income divide between white and black in SA (at that simple level). No question. BEE (in its various guises) has failed to shift the dial outside of the politically connected. No question. Now let's have a conversatrion on how to overcome that. My view? Unleash mining, ICT, industry, infrastructure, finance and you'll create millions of jobs - and better equality (and millionaires for Cyril).

Karl Sittlinger May 28, 2025, 01:27 PM

That BEE and is helping this countries economy and helping transformation is a lie. This has been shown over and over again via just about every economic metric. Ramaphosa's answer is highly disingenuous and in part simply wrong (even Zondo highlighted how cadres and BEE enabled state capture). That to much wealth is concentrated in to few hands is very rich coming from a billionaire that was handed much of his wealth. BEE is a failure that enables corruption and must be changed.

John Strydom May 28, 2025, 05:09 PM

Well said!

Al Saville May 28, 2025, 08:58 PM

Hear hear.

kanusukh May 29, 2025, 01:21 PM

And so say all of the previously advantaged . Now that the 'advantage' (fair and foul) has gone the other way, let us whip out our indignation.

Karl Sittlinger May 30, 2025, 08:41 AM

I think trillions stolen by the ANC cadres while our economy is collapsing definitely should whip up everyones indignation.

bushboyvos May 28, 2025, 07:25 AM

The ANC has never seen the wood for the trees. It's equal opportunity we should have been striving for these past 30 years. Not the chimera of equality of outcomes. No quick fixes, Ramaphosa. EDUCATION is the missing key. But then those 'clever blacks' would never vote for your sorry lot, would they?

Leon Torres May 28, 2025, 10:38 AM

Who would they vote for? Asking for a friend.

Hidden Name May 28, 2025, 12:25 PM

Based purely on numbers, its highly evident that the black middle class leans rather strongly to the DA – how's that for a hint? Since someone didn't agree with this the first time....Just cause you don't like reality doesn't mean you should try to deny it.

Leon Torres May 28, 2025, 01:55 PM

"Based purely on numbers, its highly evident that the black middle class leans rather strongly to the DA – how’s that for a hint?" - not a very good hint if you ask me. Let's deal with first things first, which numbers? It also implies that you have intimate knowledge of race and economic situation of voters as well as who they voted for in a secret ballot. I digress, and maybe you're right about the demographics of the DA voting block. I do however take umbrage with the implication that when people don't agree with your choice of vote it's because they're uneducated or unintelligent. Anyway, I believe there are clues to be had in who didn't vote. Only 4 in 10 of eligible voters actually cast a vote.

megapode May 28, 2025, 11:46 AM

OK. So let's assume there's no impediments to getting a job, to climbing the career ladder. By now you'd expect to see the economic and job pie shared roughly according to demographics. But we're not even close. White people are still better off on the whole by every material metric. And that's with BEE legislation in place.

megapode May 28, 2025, 04:16 PM

So let’s assume there’s no impediments to getting a job, to climbing the career ladder. By now you’d expect to see the economic and job pie shared roughly according to demographics. But we’re not even close. White people are still better off on the whole by every material metric. And that’s with BEE legislation in place.

D'Esprit Dan May 29, 2025, 09:14 AM

I think you're confusing Affirmative Action with Black Economic Empowerment: AA is about promoting based on race, assuming all else is equal, BEE is about giving the politically connected shares in your business, whether they add any value or not. I have no problem with AA, assuming the pool of suitably qualified people is large enough and reflects local demographics. I do have a problem with chasing US$ billions away from SA because Cyril wants his cronies to be as instantly rich as he got.

megapode May 29, 2025, 02:57 PM

Thanks for that clarification. But I think my point still stands. We have quotas that need to be met at different levels of a company. Those are about people doing jobs, not about share holding. Do we see anything approximating national demographics there? But the distinction you make does explain why I see individuals who have clearly broken through the artificial ceilings that used to exist.

A Rosebank Ratepayer May 28, 2025, 08:08 AM

These people are silent on the real issues; First, as many black people as possible must have the SKILLS to be productive. Education in SA is bad, even at good schools, especially in maths and science. One can’t run businesses and factories if one can’t read and count. Second, there must be sound infrastructure in which to be productive and invest. 80% of SA’s municipalities are collapsing due to poor skills, bad management, cadre deployment and corruption. CR is silent on these realities.

D'Esprit Dan May 28, 2025, 01:08 PM

Spot on. No productivity in an unproductive environment. But it's just easier to blame everyone else for your abject failure.

Andrew Mckenzie May 28, 2025, 08:41 AM

Mr Ramaphosa! Please go away to think about what you are saying - and doing. Education training and development may just conceivably be a better solution. If you'd started it 30 years ago then you'd be well on the way by now - to rather more solid results than we see with your existing policies!

Jan Pierewit May 28, 2025, 08:58 AM

Poor old Ramaphosa is decades out of touch. Locked into a weird nostalgia for a long-gone era when the population was a fifth of its present size and very few had higher education.

Rod MacLeod May 28, 2025, 09:15 AM

Another Cyril eulogy from the pen of Ms O'Regan. "The President delivered nothing short of a sharp klap ... " says a lot about journalistic impartiality.

Dick Binge Binge May 28, 2025, 09:16 AM

It was disingenuous and defensive of the President. The subject is far more complex. Look at how BBBEE has assisted corruption and placed ownership in the hands of a select few recipients. We have not learned that the idea is to grow the pie not share it out.

michele35 May 28, 2025, 09:20 AM

Statistics the manipulation of truth. Remove ownership of SOE's, cross ownership of SOEs in private equity, pension funds, unit trusts, private investment groups and pension administrators as ownership of those is undetermined. That leaves probably 40%-50% of the economy if that much now allocate the balance and suddenly the picture changes a lot. If E stood for empowerment rather than enrichment then all moneys in empowerment deals should be for worker owned trusts and not individuals

Mark Hammick May 28, 2025, 09:31 AM

The proof that the cANCer economic policies do not work are reflected in the unemployment statistics, the number of dependents on state funding, the collapse of the Rand against major currencies, the exit of skills from RSA, the list goes on.

D'Esprit Dan May 28, 2025, 01:10 PM

Absolutely!

Una West May 28, 2025, 09:41 AM

BEE and its offspring has been open to abuse from the beginning, it has benefitted a few, the majority of the black population are not being uplifted by it.

Jubilee 1516 May 28, 2025, 10:10 AM

The only klap Ramaphosa gave was to himself when he referred to "racist systems of the past". He is offended by someone challenging the racist system of the present giving preference to members of one race over another even where their means are equal. He feels offended but white people may not feel offended when he defends singing Kill the boer? Is this the same beggar I saw in the White House, sweating and wringing his hands?

Concerned Enough May 28, 2025, 10:12 AM

Ramaphosa says "why can't the same be done FOR black people". Why not "BY black people". Does he believe black people dont have agency? Can they only take and not build? This why BEE won't work. Its why the SOEs have failed. We must encourage black entrepreneurship and not have a government punushing white, coloured and Indian people by taking from them and excluding them. The ANC is stuck in in an outdated communist and victim mindset. We will never grow our economy with them in power.

Matthew Lloyd May 28, 2025, 10:16 AM

This comes across as a puff peice for the President. Balancing the article with statistics and research (readily available) of the effectiveness of BEE would be newsworthy. Playing on emotions, simple rhetoric and populism. WE ALL want black people (and indeed ALL of South Africa) to succeed, for there to be more employment - but it is not working. An economy is not something you take, its something you grow.

D Dog May 28, 2025, 11:04 AM

Yeah puff-piece, you're right. I have a hunch that DM rates their writers based on engagement which encourages them to intentionally write what stirs up the pot in the comments section.

kanusukh May 29, 2025, 01:30 PM

And a pseudonymous pretentious 'intellectual' fell straight into the 'trap', if it was one.

Gavrel A May 28, 2025, 10:44 AM

It's not about correcting past inequalities, most people will be in favour of that. Black empowerment in this country is too theoretical and too much focused-on finances. Instead of building a healthy general business environment in which you give black people economic benefits and teach them the right practical skills and install in them knowledge of calculated long-term risk taking, together with a sense of long delayed returns.

Gavrel A May 28, 2025, 10:44 AM

It's not about correcting past inequalities, most people will be in favour of that. Black empowerment in this country is too theoretical and too much focused-on finances. Instead of building a healthy general business environment in which you give black people economic benefits and teach them the right practical skills and install in them knowledge of calculated long-term risk taking, together with a sense of long delayed returns.

Nicol Mentz May 28, 2025, 10:50 AM

No problem if BBBEE is correctly applied, it is rent seeking at inflated prices to the state for the same thing. Eskom e.g where a mop costs R300.00 or electrical switches are NOT MADE by a black owned company, they act as a vendor by buying from a white owned company add 200% or more and sell it to Eskom. Or Transnet (Engineer murded for blowing the whistle), or Babita Dekaran murdered, with mysterious fires in the records room at tembisa hospital. Tenderpreneurs = BBBEE no manufacturing here.

Bradley Roe May 28, 2025, 11:00 AM

My President, my President, for heaven's sake get real! The State sponsored avaricious fleecing by the politically connected via B-BBEE is the most devastating detractor from the dignity, productivity and prosperity of "our people" since the emancipation of this country. There is much that I applaud in your presidency, but history will ignore it all unless you confront the reality that the only beneficiary of open ended B-BBEE is unstoppable corruption, crime and greater impoverishment.

Pieter van de Venter May 28, 2025, 11:05 AM

It is not only BEE that is wrong and favours corruption. There are very few social adjustment programs in the world that politicians designed and forced down on victims that actually worked. The only method is to make it possible for all to compete with one another equally. Instead of calling "favouritism" equality.

graemebirddurban May 28, 2025, 11:25 AM

He's 100% correct, except surely he recognises that the major opportunities up to now have largely fallen into the laps of the black connected elite like him. It's all well and good that thousands of small black owned subcontractors now get opportunities they would never have gained but they are only getting the scraps.

Hidden Name May 28, 2025, 12:01 PM

What a load of rubbish. BEE is absolutely killing the economy and massively discourages FDI. Any halfwit can see that, except our president, apparently. Preferential procurement and employment will always lead directly to over charging, outright fraud and inefficiency. The evidence is in from the last 30 years of ANC bad decisions, and its both incontrovertible and damning. Its time to face reality.

Johndavid Metcalf May 28, 2025, 12:11 PM

I'm amazed that BEE is still around: Don't black citizens realize how insulting this policy is to themselves? By it's application it is implying that black people are not 'good enough'. SA is perpetuating a race-based ideology that flies in the face of our 'Democratic non-racial Constitution'. How inferior does this make black people, appointed by BEE, feel in the workplace and sports teams? I hope the G20 summit in November brings these issues into sharp focus for the world to see.

Leon Torres May 28, 2025, 01:24 PM

I am by no means suggesting that BEE is the be all and the end all. I will say this, it's the only policy in place that attempts to prevent discrimination during workplace selection. I'm not sure this slight measures up to the humiliating prospect of only being seen as a hewer of wood or drawer of water. If you have a better way, I'm all ears (eyes, whichever).

D'Esprit Dan May 28, 2025, 12:54 PM

“Why can’t black people be made to own productive aspects of work? Why can’t they be rich as well?” Why not open the economy to investment to GROW THE DAMNED ECONOMY instead of slicing the cake ever thinner until there's nothing left (conveniently after you've taken your ample slice). This obsession with parsing every hair of economic activity instead of growing productive sectors is Einstein's definition of insanity. Growth will produce jobs and millionaires!

Miles Japhet May 28, 2025, 01:29 PM

Ramaphosa’s obsession as regards ownership is bizarre. Mr President, how exactly does ownership affect job creation? Your adoption of race based policies as redress on the assumption that there would have been an economy remotely looking like this is misguided at best. There is no evidence that black South Africans would have adopted the necessary culture of invention and intergenerational wealth creation. Herein lies the real transformation required of black South Africans.

Leon Torres May 28, 2025, 02:11 PM

That like saying there is no evidence that white South Africans would have adopted the necessary culture to treat with black South Africans equally and fairly...oh, wait!

oliver59 May 28, 2025, 01:50 PM

How any rational person can get up and defend BEE in its current form is beyond me. Noting, like any sane South African, that the preferential allocation of resources to the underprivileged is a national imperative.

keith.ciorovich May 28, 2025, 02:56 PM

He is not rational and known for telling porkies

Gavin Hillyard May 28, 2025, 02:00 PM

Ja Cyril, lots of gogos have warm heart feelings after losing everything at VBS bank. With skills, drive, and hard work, anyone can become rich. But many politicians got rich without these attributes. The only hope for SA Inc. is the DA becoming the majority party. Proper forward planning, less fraud and corruption, and a meritocracy. Topping the list is the recovery of our education "system", to ensure youth can leave school and study further to provide the skills needed in a modern economy.

Marc Caldwell May 28, 2025, 02:34 PM

CR is referring to JOBS; what the ANC needs to stay in power. After 1948, the Nats rewarded its mainly Afrikaner voters with JOBS, particularly in the civil service. Party members got the best-paying jobs. After 1994, the ANC saw to rewarding its voter base with access to govt JOBS; cadres getting the top spots.The ECONOMY is a different matter.

Slightly Irritated May 28, 2025, 04:54 PM

Maybe it’s a competency issue Cyril? As head of Cadre deployment committee we expect nothing else. Wake up man, it’s not working, try something else before it’s too late.

kanusukh May 29, 2025, 01:33 PM

Maybe he should do what orange man in the US is doing.. and just sign 'executive orders' .. which have almost without exception, been challenged in courts ? How is that 'working' ?

John Strydom May 28, 2025, 05:08 PM

Look at Eskom, Transnet, the Post Office, Home Affairs, crumbling municipalities the norm - and see what BEE has done for us. Nothing wrong with the intention; it was the overly eager and unthinking implementation of affirmative action, etc., which has brought us to this. Before we can have the reform for which we are so eager, first reform BEE. No need to scrap it; just make it implementable. But maybe it's already too late, and it seems Ramaphosa has learnt nothing from this mess.

Louise Wilkins May 28, 2025, 05:35 PM

Oh for Pete's sake. How does he manage to convince himself that they have worked. Doesn't he know what state the government departments are in????

Peter Forder May 28, 2025, 05:51 PM

" Mr Ramaphosa! Please go away to think about what you are saying – and doing. Education training and development may just conceivably be a better solution. If you’d started it 30 years ago then you’d be well on the way by now – to rather more solid results than we see with your existing policies! " Andrew McKenzie - you are dead right and spot on. QUALITY EDUCATION is the Key - sadly, the result would be 30 years later.

Peter Dexter May 29, 2025, 08:14 AM

The IRR has presented a far more logical version of EE that would transform the economy, and instead of driving investment away would be pro-growth. The current system is designed to enrich the few at the expense of the majority

laura.kudrle9 May 29, 2025, 02:22 PM

For BEE to be successful our education quality needs to improve. SA is ranked 50 out of 63 WEF or 75 out of 76 by the OECD. Having said that most took the easy way out and instead of candidates starting at the bottom and being allowed to work their way up it was easier to appoint a BEE candidate in name only and pay said person a hefty salary- everyone was in such a rush to become BEE compliant not to loose out on tenders etc etc. "Short cuts lead to dead ends" Cyril's view seems myopic...

Peter Dexter May 29, 2025, 03:43 PM

BBBEE and the EEA have enriched a tiny percentage of the black population. "(President Ramaphosa and his brother-in-law being examples.) But this legislation has failed to transformed South Africa. There are more black people living in poverty now than at the start of the process. Rather than forcing change on business owners based on racial quotas rather than merit, encourage new entrepreneurs. We need MANY new businesses started by people of all races. Don't chase investors away!