Ramaphosa in resolve-and-reset mode on SA-US ties despite Trump's white Afrikaner genocide claims

We are a rainbow nation getting to grips with our own complexities, sufferings and neuroses. While there is no objective question that the death rate is crazy and that some of our laws prejudice minorities, we need to not succumb to the ignorant divisive stupidity with which the USA is killing itself. We have come so far, and for the first time our trajectory is on the up. Focus people, focus.

The success [or not] of the visit needs to be measured in, inter alia, economic growth in South Africa and the reduction of the horrific unemployment.

As usual, Trump does not do 'discussion', he does: lie, harangue, threaten and insult. Even his apparent agreement means nothing, as it could change by the time he wakes up (although, of course, he never will). So Ramaphosa stood up well to this nonsense. Why the world takes a single thing Trump says seriously is a mystery, presumably it is solely because of the US economic and military power, although the former may be in terminal decline, with luck to be followed by the latter.

The ten stages of genocide according to Genocide Watch. We are at nine, and Trump reminded us : I. Classification ​ ii. Symbolization ​ iii. Discrimination ​ iv. Dehumanization ​ v. Organization ​ vi. Polarization ​ vii. Preparation ​ viii. Persecution ​ ​ix. Extermination ​ x. Denial

Deeply shameful for our nation that it has taken a moral dwarf to force our attention and, dare one hope, finally increased action on this matter. Trump does, however, grasp something that still eludes our courts: You can not persist in singing " Kill the Boer " and then be surprised if some imbecile takes it into his head to do just that.

A pity that there was no mention of the widespread, endemic corruption and racist laws masquerading as BEE and 'transformation',no mention of the Concourt's ruling that "Kill/shoot the boer" is not hate speech, the lack of any prosecution of ANC cadre corruption unearthed by the Zondo commission and the disintegration of public facilities and our physical infrastructure. Who will invest when required to hand over 30% of their investment to an ANC cadre?

Ramaphosa handled it very well. That's his fortè, negotiation and diplomacy. As a political leader he's a failure. What SA needs is to have Ramaphosa replace Ronald Lamola as Minister of International Relations and the DA to head the GNU and take over the financial and overall administration of South Africa. Right now Julius Malema must stink in the eyes of his countrymen as his actions have become a major point in the US's anti-SA stance. Ramaphosa may have rescued things somewhat.

Ramaphosa had a good night calm and collected - but with Trump's the truth is what he says it is. No win possible! Steenhuisen, childishly missed an opportunity to show unity and common purpose by saying the DA only joined to keep Malema and Zuma out. Blew it! Goosen may have played into Trumps narrative with his family story of being in siege at the farm. Oooops! Main message - we have lost control of the country to criminals, no idea how to solve it, need your help - but invest anyway!

The way the meeting went was predicted by Rob Hersov; not everyone’s cup of tea but a solid thinker. South Africa has long since lost the gloss of the Mandela days. Rupert is a star and the reason the door was opened to Cyril. But the reality is that under the ANC crime is worse than under the old NAT government and there is not even an armed struggle call it what you like underway. the people of South Africa have a lot of tolerance but the ANC and its policies have destroyed and not built progress.

A good outcome will be if SA reverts back to be truly non-aligned. We should realize that nobody (East or West) is actually our friend, everybody places their own interests first.

It was good for the ANC delegates to see how anti- white rhetoric looks in front of a global audience and how much damage it can do. The trade unionist ultimately requires successful businesses for members. She will have seen how unappetising the EFF and MK rants appear to a global audience and therefore how pointless saying no one must interfere with our view of what we believe must happen in SA. Luckily Zim wasn’t mentioned - it would have been the ultimate turn off.

I hope that especially white South Africans continue to counter this incredibly toxic and demonstrably false narrative. Crime and corruption are big challenges for our country, but tactics such as these are meant to sow division, and that will not help. There is too much work to be done if we are to ensure that all South Africans can live safe, dignified lives. Also, in case nobody is noticing, America has lately been nothing to aspire to as far as a lack of corruption goes...

Let's face it, it was a vetklap for the ANC's policies of discrimination and insensivity against a minority group, and their inability to keep law and order. The world now sees it for what it is, the myth of the noble, persecuted black has been killed by the ANC. Kudos to Trump for being the only world leader with the testosterone to call it out, other world leaders will undoubtedly follow if there is no change in South Africa.

I don't think there was any ambush. The President and his team knew that there was likely going to be some provocation from Trump and/or Vance. They couldn't know for sure what form it was going to take. So what could they do? Be prepared for something out of left field and be determined to play it with a straight bat. Which they did, and which the President continued to do in the post-meeting press conference.

I don't see this as a diplomatic ambush. The President and his team couldn't know EXACTLY what was going to happen, but they would be very silly indeed if they did not expect provocation from Trump &/or Vance. What could they do then? Be prepared for something out of left field, and be determined to play whatever it turned out to be with a straight bat. What else could they do? Stand up and walk out? Where would that have got anybody?

Zingiswa Losi, the Trade Unionist, said it all. Mass unemployment and poverty have resulted in a deluge of violent criminality for decades. However, no amount of outside investment will alleviate this problem. The government is responsible for addressing the underlying conditions that cause such widespread misery. Corruption, nepotism, wasted spending, over-regulation of business, BEE, and a thousand other issues have dragged this potentially affluent country to its knees. If you're too ashamed to clean your own house, you'll have to suffer the shame of having its filthy state exposed to the world. One can hate Trump for exposing the dirt, but South Africa is long overdue for a thorough spring cleaning.

I can't wait for DM to publish the REAL stats of Farm Murders, and admit that there is a genocidal problem amongst white farmers. Yes, it affects EVERY farmer, black or white, but the majority are white farmers being slaughtered. News publications such as DM, with their left-leaning bias, have not released a single article where they admit to this problem. It's because when you're white, you are by default a racist, and it is impossible to become a victim of anything.

I am wondering why JD Vance wasn't all over Ernie Els for not having his top shirt button done up.

When do we start joining the dots? The operative word is GENOCIDE in SA's accusation of Israel in the ICJ. Israel in a USA ally. So Trump levels the same genocide accusation against the ANC government; to make it look hypocritical. The rest is a sideshow.