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The big lie of the land — Ramaphosa politely schools ‘terrible things’ Trump on SA’s land reform

What might have prompted Trump’s ill-informed comments during an interview on cutting aid to South Africa on Monday?
The big lie of the land — Ramaphosa politely schools ‘terrible things’ Trump on SA’s land reform And just like that, bang on cue, US President Donald Trump’s statement that the South African government was “confiscating land” and “doing terrible things” landed days after the minority civil rights organisation AfriForum threatened to “mobilise internationally”. AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel hit back last week after the signing of the Expropriation Bill by President Cyril Ramaphosa, announcing that the organisation had a three-point plan to halt it.  First would be an approach to Minister of Public Works and Infrastructure Dean Macpherson to prevent him from co-signing the bill as required by law. Step two would be to test the constitutionality of the Act as set out by AfriForum in a letter to Ramaphosa last year.  And third, Kriel said the organisation would “approach international role players” in a “targeted campaign”. Launching Option Three Option three appears to have jumped the gun, with Trump’s ill-informed claims on Monday in an on-the-trot interview about cutting aid to South Africa. He was only cutting aid to South Africa because “terrible things are happening there. The leadership is doing some terrible things, horrible things… they are taking away land, they are confiscating land and doing things perhaps worse than that.” Ramaphosa’s office politely issued a statement afterwards reminding Trump that South Africa was a “constitutional democracy that is deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality. The South African government has not confiscated any land. “The recently adopted Expropriation Act is not a confiscation instrument, but a constitutionally mandated legal process that ensures public access to land in an equitable and just manner as guided by the Constitution.”  South Africa, like the US and other countries, Ramaphosa’s office noted, “has always had expropriation laws that balance the need for public usage of land and the protection of rights of property owners”.  As far as funding is concerned “with the exception of Pepfar Aid, which constitutes 17% of South Africa’s HIV/Aids programme, there is no other significant funding that is provided by the United States in South Africa”. [caption id="attachment_2573900" align="alignnone" width="1990"]Trump land Kallie Kriel AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel addresses the media in Pretoria on the service delivery situation in the Koster and Swartruggens area on 11 March 2021. (Photo: Gallo Images / Beeld / Deaan Vivier)[/caption] Calm the F Down Advocate Tembeka Ngcukaitobi – author of The Land Is Ours and Land Matters: South Africa’s Failed Land Reforms and the Road Ahead – is a key contributor to land jurisprudence. Writing for the Mail & Guardian on 31 January, he noted that the power of expropriation “is necessary for a functional state, based on the rule of law and constitutionalism, especially where the economy is structured to preserve private property”.  Without this power, he noted, it was difficult to see how the state could deliver basic services.  “The alternative to the power of expropriation is the abolition of private property and its replacement with nationalisation.” Public interest Ngcukaitobi noted that the new Act repealed and replaced the 1975 Act, and that it differed from its predecessor in two important respects. First “that expropriation may be undertaken in the public interest and for public purposes”, and second, the Act “introduced a novel concept of compensation for the owner of property, not based on ‘willing seller, willing buyer’, but on ‘justice and equity’, terms which are slippery and have never been capable of precise legal or economic definition, despite many attempts at attaining precision”.  [caption id="attachment_1934731" align="alignnone" width="5099"]Trump land Farmers plough near Bronkhorstspruit on 9 November 2023. (Photo: Felix Dlangamandla)[/caption] Expropriation, he set out, took place in two stages, when the state notified the owner of the intention to acquire the property, the reasons, the amount of compensation and when this would take place. Most crucially, “such decisions are also subject to judicial control under the administrative justice provisions of our Constitution and legislation”.  “In this sense, while the state has the power to decide on the expropriation, it has no power to decide its legality.” Enter justice Enter the Land Court and its recently appointed deputy president, Judge Susannah Cowen In South Africa, judges, not politicians, have the final say on the legality of administrative decisions, noted Ngcukaitobi.  Leaving it up to the courts as final arbiters of the final amount in itself meant that the Act could be described, “to borrow from social historian and political activist EP Thompson, as ‘a bad law made by bad legislators’, even if it does not yet pass for a good law”. Whether this Act would be a good law depended on whether it would be interpreted “with common sense and applied with compassion”. During her interview before the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) for the position on the Land Court, Cowen debated section 25(3) of the Constitution with EFF leader Julius Malema, who had asked for her views on the matter. [caption id="attachment_1823915" align="alignnone" width="2000"] Thousands of protesters gather at the President’s official residence, Genadendal, in Cape Town on 23 August 2023 to demand the release of government land for housing. (Photo: Zacharia Mashele / Ndifuna Ukwazi)[/caption] In her previous JSC interviews Cowen had agreed she would deal with the question at “a high level”, considering the matter would most certainly come before the Land Court.  As reported earlier, the exchange that followed was a study of a measured, informed and expert response from an individual who has shown her commitment to fixing land reform:  Malema: “What is your take on the current Constitution and does it allow expropriation without compensation?” Cowen: “My view is that it is a very important question that matters to a lot of South Africans and is going to have to be squarely decided by courts.  “There is no real debate about whether the Constitution, properly applied, permits nominal compensation. I cannot see how that is debatable.” However, she added, there were other factors to take into account and which were expressly set out in section 25(3). One of these was the factoring in of state subsidies given to white farmers in the past calculated against market value. “You can come up with a zero balance. It is a mathematical formula. Zero as opposed to nominal. I have read different arguments and I don’t know the answer,” she told Malema. Read more: ‘Maverick’ Judge Susannah Cowen exemplifies deeply committed leadership of game-changing new Land Court Cowen added that there were “compelling reasons in the Constitution why there should be departures from market value compensation”. She was aware of political debates and these “are important to South Africans”, she mused. Ramaphosa said he “looked forward” to engaging with “the Trump administration over our land reform policy and issues of bilateral interest”.  “We are certain that out of those engagements, we will share a better and common understanding over these matters.”  Fingers crossed. DM

And just like that, bang on cue, US President Donald Trump’s statement that the South African government was “confiscating land” and “doing terrible things” landed days after the minority civil rights organisation AfriForum threatened to “mobilise internationally”.

AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel hit back last week after the signing of the Expropriation Bill by President Cyril Ramaphosa, announcing that the organisation had a three-point plan to halt it. 

First would be an approach to Minister of Public Works and Infrastructure Dean Macpherson to prevent him from co-signing the bill as required by law.

Step two would be to test the constitutionality of the Act as set out by AfriForum in a letter to Ramaphosa last year. 

And third, Kriel said the organisation would “approach international role players” in a “targeted campaign”.

Launching Option Three

Option three appears to have jumped the gun, with Trump’s ill-informed claims on Monday in an on-the-trot interview about cutting aid to South Africa.

He was only cutting aid to South Africa because “terrible things are happening there. The leadership is doing some terrible things, horrible things… they are taking away land, they are confiscating land and doing things perhaps worse than that.”

Ramaphosa’s office politely issued a statement afterwards reminding Trump that South Africa was a “constitutional democracy that is deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality. The South African government has not confiscated any land.

“The recently adopted Expropriation Act is not a confiscation instrument, but a constitutionally mandated legal process that ensures public access to land in an equitable and just manner as guided by the Constitution.” 

South Africa, like the US and other countries, Ramaphosa’s office noted, “has always had expropriation laws that balance the need for public usage of land and the protection of rights of property owners”. 

As far as funding is concerned “with the exception of Pepfar Aid, which constitutes 17% of South Africa’s HIV/Aids programme, there is no other significant funding that is provided by the United States in South Africa”.

Trump land Kallie Kriel AfriForum CEO Kallie Kriel addresses the media in Pretoria on the service delivery situation in the Koster and Swartruggens area on 11 March 2021. (Photo: Gallo Images / Beeld / Deaan Vivier)



Calm the F Down

Advocate Tembeka Ngcukaitobi – author of The Land Is Ours and Land Matters: South Africa’s Failed Land Reforms and the Road Ahead – is a key contributor to land jurisprudence.

Writing for the Mail & Guardian on 31 January, he noted that the power of expropriation “is necessary for a functional state, based on the rule of law and constitutionalism, especially where the economy is structured to preserve private property”. 

Without this power, he noted, it was difficult to see how the state could deliver basic services. 

“The alternative to the power of expropriation is the abolition of private property and its replacement with nationalisation.”

Public interest

Ngcukaitobi noted that the new Act repealed and replaced the 1975 Act, and that it differed from its predecessor in two important respects.

First “that expropriation may be undertaken in the public interest and for public purposes”, and second, the Act “introduced a novel concept of compensation for the owner of property, not based on ‘willing seller, willing buyer’, but on ‘justice and equity’, terms which are slippery and have never been capable of precise legal or economic definition, despite many attempts at attaining precision”. 

Trump land Farmers plough near Bronkhorstspruit on 9 November 2023. (Photo: Felix Dlangamandla)



Expropriation, he set out, took place in two stages, when the state notified the owner of the intention to acquire the property, the reasons, the amount of compensation and when this would take place.

Most crucially, “such decisions are also subject to judicial control under the administrative justice provisions of our Constitution and legislation”. 

“In this sense, while the state has the power to decide on the expropriation, it has no power to decide its legality.”

Enter justice

Enter the Land Court and its recently appointed deputy president, Judge Susannah Cowen

In South Africa, judges, not politicians, have the final say on the legality of administrative decisions, noted Ngcukaitobi. 

Leaving it up to the courts as final arbiters of the final amount in itself meant that the Act could be described, “to borrow from social historian and political activist EP Thompson, as ‘a bad law made by bad legislators’, even if it does not yet pass for a good law”.

Whether this Act would be a good law depended on whether it would be interpreted “with common sense and applied with compassion”.

During her interview before the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) for the position on the Land Court, Cowen debated section 25(3) of the Constitution with EFF leader Julius Malema, who had asked for her views on the matter.

Thousands of protesters gather at the President’s official residence, Genadendal, in Cape Town on 23 August 2023 to demand the release of government land for housing. (Photo: Zacharia Mashele / Ndifuna Ukwazi)



In her previous JSC interviews Cowen had agreed she would deal with the question at “a high level”, considering the matter would most certainly come before the Land Court. 

As reported earlier, the exchange that followed was a study of a measured, informed and expert response from an individual who has shown her commitment to fixing land reform: 

Malema: “What is your take on the current Constitution and does it allow expropriation without compensation?”

Cowen: “My view is that it is a very important question that matters to a lot of South Africans and is going to have to be squarely decided by courts. 

“There is no real debate about whether the Constitution, properly applied, permits nominal compensation. I cannot see how that is debatable.”

However, she added, there were other factors to take into account and which were expressly set out in section 25(3). One of these was the factoring in of state subsidies given to white farmers in the past calculated against market value.

“You can come up with a zero balance. It is a mathematical formula. Zero as opposed to nominal. I have read different arguments and I don’t know the answer,” she told Malema.

Read more: ‘Maverick’ Judge Susannah Cowen exemplifies deeply committed leadership of game-changing new Land Court

Cowen added that there were “compelling reasons in the Constitution why there should be departures from market value compensation”. She was aware of political debates and these “are important to South Africans”, she mused.

Ramaphosa said he “looked forward” to engaging with “the Trump administration over our land reform policy and issues of bilateral interest”. 

“We are certain that out of those engagements, we will share a better and common understanding over these matters.” 

Fingers crossed. DM

Comments

in Feb 3, 2025, 01:28 PM

I am having a very good Monday, watching the ANC, Ramaphosa, and also this publication squirm about EWC's intended property theft. "Nil compensation" [sic] is the same as me walking into a bank, and despite having nil in my bank account, making a withdrawal. It is theft. Trump is dead right.

Christopher Bedford Feb 3, 2025, 02:23 PM

You are reading huge swathes of text that just aren't there. No-one's squirming; The "withdrawal" will be negotiated; Trump spoke without knowing what he was talking about and based (as usual, with his rhetoric) on nothing. Support for MAGA is based on his shameless racism.

andij8537 Feb 3, 2025, 03:02 PM

You speak on behalf of Trump or anyone else?

Johnny Bravo Feb 3, 2025, 04:40 PM

That's the ultimate straw-man, but hey, that's really all you have these days by way of argument. I double dare you to start calling pro-lifers: Unborn Baby Lovers... Triple dare you in fact.

Patrick.pullin Feb 3, 2025, 08:16 PM

Back to your safe space little fella...you lack of common sense and logic is glaring !

Mike Pragmatist Feb 4, 2025, 05:36 PM

Get a grip. It was a Social Media post. It also spoke about an investigation to be conducted.

Inertia Maharaj Feb 3, 2025, 04:10 PM

I mean, Trump is ill informed and gets his talking points from Twitter and the sweaty, fevered ramblings of its new owner. He is not "dead right". He is simply throwing his weight around because he has rather a lot of it and like all narcissists lives to throw it around.

Joe Niemand Feb 3, 2025, 05:06 PM

For years, the ANC has voted against America and consorted with American enemies. Trump is absolutely, 1000000%, dead right. Why should the US fund its open enemies like SA or Iran. You woke lot are the ones shaking in your boots, with quivering bottom lips. As you should.

David A Feb 4, 2025, 06:06 AM

"You woke lot"? Too much internet for you, me thinks.

Arthur Lilford Feb 3, 2025, 04:34 PM

If the ANC acted entirely in good faith then "EWC" could be a great tool - but trusting a bunch of thieves with this act who are not actually too worried about "law" and "property rights" or the position of the poor is a massive shame on the the "current regime"

- Matt Feb 3, 2025, 06:46 PM

Interested that Ramaphosa said we are a "constitutional democracy that is deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality". For a number of the ministers he has chosen to defend that same constitution, it seems benefiting from corruption is of higher importance than the rule of law...

Beyond Fedup Feb 3, 2025, 01:36 PM

Adv. Ncugaitobi - you really are out of touch with reality. Even with the land that is under state control and with all the levers of powers, this abominable government can’t deliver services!! Theft, corruption, incompetence, cadre deployment and a basic lack of care for its citizens is reality.

Christopher Bedford Feb 3, 2025, 02:28 PM

Your criticism of his legal opinion is based on nothing in his argument or the law or the text of this article and is therefore pointless. Aim your argument where it belongs, at the administrative branch of government - not the legislative, who only guide the principles and intentions of goverment.

Grumpy Old Man Feb 3, 2025, 05:03 PM

Christopher, this is not your audience. If you value your own sanity it's best to leave the flock to worship at the Alter of Donald. They are very intolerant of non believers

mkhizetj Feb 3, 2025, 06:43 PM

There is absolute sense in your comment Grumpy Old Man.

Nicoleen Schuld Feb 3, 2025, 02:38 PM

Totally agree with you. Some legal people are staying in La-La Land

Walter Spatula Feb 3, 2025, 01:50 PM

Hopefully the “doing terrible things” relates to the ANC's doubling down on BEE and enacting strict racial quotas. I would love to see senior ANC politicans being personally sanctioned by large parts of the world.

Malcolm McManus Feb 3, 2025, 03:23 PM

Apparently, quite likely to happen with ANC cadres the direct target. Time will tell, but Trump doesn't appear to waste much of it. We may not have to wait too long.

R S Feb 3, 2025, 01:53 PM

Journalists with rose tinted glasses who think those won't be exploited... Have you looked at what the ANC has done to us for the last decade despite the presence of the courts?

Maj.kno Feb 3, 2025, 01:57 PM

Is bbbeee not a horible thing? Is protection of corruptors not a horrible thing? Is the legitimizing of corruption not a horrible thing? Is the protection of State capturers not a horrible thing? Are constant farm murders not a horrible thing? Should I go on....?

Arthur Lilford Feb 3, 2025, 04:38 PM

Touche'

lottinoleonardo Feb 3, 2025, 05:39 PM

You took the words right out of my mouth!

Rob Bayliss Feb 3, 2025, 02:02 PM

Talking of idiot winds how does this sound? If they don't give us money we will not give them minerals. This is the minister's response.

Alan Watkins Feb 3, 2025, 04:15 PM

And then they wont pay us for the minerals we are SELLING them. 3 transactions here. USA is GIVING us aid. We are SELLING them minerals (and other exports) for which they PAY us. So they stop giving us aid, we stop supplying minerals, they stop paying for the minerals they would have paid us for.

louw.nic Feb 3, 2025, 02:02 PM

This is small change. AGOA is up for renewal in Sep. If not, we lose preferential access for $10B+ in exports to the US annually. In light of the Lady R debacle, Ukraine stance; ICJ Gaza matter; creation of the Hague Group; and various BRICS policies, SA has ONLY ITSELF to blame for non-renewal.

Michael Thomlinson Feb 3, 2025, 02:03 PM

I would like to ask the learned advocate Ngcukaitobi: Why is it that the state cannot deliver basic services without EWC? Basic services have nothing to do with EWC. The government is funded by tax paying citizens not EWC.

User Feb 3, 2025, 02:09 PM

Jip, the noose is tightening around the ANC, Donny is going to wipe the floor with these okes. Let us see once and for all if the ANC wants investment that advantage all saffas, or just them and their rent seekers, use it or lose it. And Rama, you do not school a guy like Trump pal.

Lawrence Sisitka Feb 3, 2025, 03:35 PM

Are you real? Donny! A demented delusional narcissist who has no concept of truth. He has not a single attribute or value that constitutes a real humane human, and is simply a complete aberration. And you agree with him? Oh what a sad, sad world we live in.

Michael Cinna Feb 3, 2025, 04:40 PM

Tell us how you really feel?

Joe Niemand Feb 3, 2025, 05:08 PM

Wow! You are having a serious little meltdown here, aren't you? Did Uncle Donald upset you? Calm down to a panic, open your bottle of chill pills with your shaking hands, drink a handful, and deal with the new world reality, where African tinpot bozos like the ANC no longer shout the odds.

Szivos David Feb 3, 2025, 02:09 PM

This is happening two days after Starlink was told that BEE rules stay the same for it and no exemption is considered. Do what you want with this context.

Rodney Weidemann Feb 3, 2025, 03:38 PM

Trump cares so little for (and knows less about) Africa that my very first thought was that Muskolini was whispering in his ear about SA -- and this Starlink BBBEE issue demonstrates WHY he would do that...

petroscali Feb 3, 2025, 04:10 PM

Wonder why we get distracted by this being about Trump being a good or a bad man. The US doesn't care about SA, and isnt gonna respond to AFRIFORUM as a trigger. ...they have already decided what's gonna happen with AGOA. Doesn't matter what Our Team says and does.

Dermot Quinn Feb 3, 2025, 05:39 PM

AGOA may still survive. Trompie just wants us to show a sliver of respect for what good they do and not all the criticism for what we disagree with. I cannot for the life of then listen to Gwede's kak praat. Is he actually a politician, coz he's no diplomat.

Rasmus Jensen Feb 3, 2025, 02:10 PM

Is EWC ripe for abuse? Yes, like any other law. Does Agent Orange know anything about anything? Nope - he just reacts with his (substantial) gut and pretends to understand..."like, stuff..."

Fernando Moreira Feb 3, 2025, 02:10 PM

Communistic ideology getting scrutinized. The ANC has an awful anti-west stance that doesnt sit well !!

Tima Huntzrod Feb 3, 2025, 02:11 PM

This has nothing to do with the land bill and everything to do with SA taking ISR to the ICJ. Trumpet should look at his own country’s racist divide, its rising levels of poverty and crime before threatening another ? what a chump!

Just another Comment Feb 3, 2025, 02:53 PM

He's doing exactly that. That's why he's deporting 30 000 criminals to Guantanamo Bay (reportedly). He's raising import tariffs, sorting out the illegal immigrant issues, inflation, and hand-outs to clowns. He is going to protect the US taxpayer and use the money to build the US economy.

Richard Kennard Feb 3, 2025, 03:31 PM

He's just released 1500 criminals with some already re-offending.

Peter Wanliss Feb 3, 2025, 03:36 PM

Suggested background reading: "Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act" & "Law of Unintended Consequences".

Lawrence King Feb 3, 2025, 03:04 PM

ISR, ISR, ISR ... yawn! Stop winging and face the truth. SA is broken and poor, and its people are hungry and desperate after years of ANC misrule... please let's try dig ourselves out of this terrible hole before we meddle with conflicts we know little about.

Kenneth FAKUDE Feb 3, 2025, 06:20 PM

Africa is poor due to natural resources that are syphoned through colonial concessions, AGOA benefits Capitalists and big business, there was life before AGOA and there will be life after, we cannot rely on donations when we have resources which can be sold in any willing market.

Dermot Quinn Feb 3, 2025, 05:42 PM

I don't believe that. Lady R, military manouvers, Iran funding the ICJ case, criticism of the west at all levels, real hatred for Western democracies etc Remember there were US congressmen asking for AGOA to be revisited long before the war started.

Christopher Bedford Feb 3, 2025, 02:17 PM

Predictably, the Right Wing in SA are jumping in and supporting Mar-a-Lardo wholesale like good little MAGAs. Sure, the ANC is no good when it comes to corruption, but it's hard to do worse than 45's record. As for what prompted his comments, since when has he needed anything based in reality?

fio Feb 3, 2025, 02:53 PM

sorry Ramaphosa, SA is "deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality"?? I beg your pardon??

gregstroud Feb 3, 2025, 02:55 PM

Journos trying to peddle their narrative just because they don't like Trump, even though they know he's right. This law will obviously be exploited by our communist overlords to confiscate property. Why else introduce something like this if the constitution already caters for it?

Martin Botha Feb 3, 2025, 03:10 PM

EWC required to deliver services ? ---- ANC logic at it's very best.

louw.nic Feb 4, 2025, 01:09 PM

Published as "news"; "opinion" and/or "analysis" by local and foreign contributors. It's sad that we have NO proper analysis of the facts informing, and the potential outcomes of, these actions by the US President...and not a word of the incoming US ambassador, Joel Pollak (very important).

Reginald van Rossum Feb 3, 2025, 03:08 PM

You all got it wrong, Trump couldn't care less about Land Grab, or whatever. He just wants to kill-off BRICS, starting with the weakest one.

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 09:22 AM

Your probably right. Trust the ANC to be the ones to help him make it easier. The irony.

Dragon Slayer Feb 3, 2025, 03:20 PM

Trump is clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed but what is clear is that he hates anything other than (maybe subjectively) the best person for the job - without patronage. 30 years on with the dismal performance of all spheres of government in South Africa he may be on to something?

Cath B Feb 3, 2025, 03:22 PM

Just to save time and effort. Perhaps the land expropriation committee and can re-visit the hundreds of failed farm handovers and try to rejuvenate those projects again.

Chris Charles Feb 3, 2025, 03:35 PM

"As of 2023, the United States provided approximately $440 million in assistance to South Africa. This aid primarily supported initiatives in HIV/AIDS prevention and treatment, economic development, education, and combating gender-based violence." So Kallie Kriel, thanks for thinking this through.

Dermot Quinn Feb 3, 2025, 05:47 PM

Chris, when the ANC were maligned they chose the global diplomatic support route and damn the economic consequences for a better tomorrow, well more accurately for the promise of a better tomorrow. Afriforum have failed at home, take it off-shore=natural progression.

Jean Racine Feb 3, 2025, 03:46 PM

Just like the previous bloviating during his first term when he tasked Pompeo to investigate a nothing burger, Trump will quietly drop this once the embassy and the State Dept lay out the facts sans the Afriforum BS.

Gazeley Walker Feb 3, 2025, 04:19 PM

You fail to mention the Elon Musk influence, far more influential than the Afriforum BS you refer to, and with his Starlink experience, he has a fair understanding of the evil of BBBEE

Johnny Bravo Feb 3, 2025, 04:38 PM

And what are the facts Jean? Because the facts to me seem to indicate that we have DEI and restitution laws in abundance, used by the massively corrupt to bloviate their own bank accounts (via preferential tender providers), and that Trump hates that stuff and he's calling it out. Enlighten me?

Geoff Krige Feb 3, 2025, 03:55 PM

Many comments claim the ANC steals land. What examples are there of the ANC stealing land? I am not aware of any. The apartheid government stole land - District 6 and Sophiatown for just two recent cases. That is historic fact. But the ANC? No, I don't think so. We need to comment on sound facts.

petroscali Feb 3, 2025, 04:00 PM

Trump wont do anything he hasn't already planned to do. If this is about what USA funds in SA being taken away, it's kind of a damp squib in the big picture if I read the other articles, that illustrate that the amount isnt material. If it's about TRADE then that's something to be focussed on.

Mazamban. Feb 3, 2025, 04:00 PM

If you are not intending to expropriate land why bother writing a law allowing it.

Ron Ron Feb 3, 2025, 04:35 PM

Makes you think, doesn't it? A deliberately vague law. Vague law is the enemy of justice.

Bradley Barry Feb 3, 2025, 04:18 PM

Uhmm, DM and everyone else seems to have forgotten that the Orange Dear Leader paused ALL foreign aid last week already in one of his EO's. The Orange one doesn't care about expropriation in SA - he will care about SA being part of BRICS and has already made some noise about that.

Rod MacLeod Feb 3, 2025, 04:20 PM

The Hon Cowen: "One of these was the factoring in of state subsidies given to white farmers in the past calculated against market value. You can come up with a zero balance. It is a mathematical formula. Zero as opposed to nominal." Anyone still unsure how the judiciary will achieve EWC?

perks.mo Feb 3, 2025, 04:36 PM

I am bemused at the glee with which SAn right-leaning gammons view Trump's outburst. As if he's coming in on his white horse, ready to give licence to "put those pesky natives back in their place". The logic leap from Trump rant to "now the ANC are in trouble, lekkerrr" is spectacular.

perks.mo Feb 3, 2025, 04:39 PM

Expropriation is already in the constitution. The new Act simply provides a mechanism for a fairer implementation of S13 (in which nil comp is already present). An analysis of the act is provided by Ms Zsa-zsa Temmers Boggenpoel. Google it, read it, then chill a bit. The world is not about to end.

Karl Sittlinger Feb 3, 2025, 04:44 PM

I have no love for Trump, nor should we expect him to have any interest in us down here. But the new law can theoretically expropriate not just land but ANY property & this property becomes the states the moment the notice for expropriation is given. Most will not be able to afford long litigation.

dave.navigate Feb 3, 2025, 05:23 PM

Go Trump, the Aid package he's holding back relevant to this particular post. Do you honestly think that a quarter of that aid money actually gets to the intended recipients? No, and when you cant account for how the aid package is spent, there are repercussions, and rightly so. Nuff Said.

Noelsoyizwap Feb 3, 2025, 05:28 PM

Sound bites and wishful aside, USA's duty is, and has always been, to act only in best interest of USA. What would be the benefit of USA to kick SA out of agoa. Also, USA knows, such action would drive SA firmly into the camp of China. That's not in the interest of USA. Dream on AfriSolidarity

Noelsoyizwap Feb 3, 2025, 05:34 PM

Also, it would have been great thing if SA was drawing such heat for an act that it really intended for use. Having ANC track record on land reform since 1994, this is such an unnecessary negative attention it is subjecting itself to.

Dermot Quinn Feb 3, 2025, 05:35 PM

So we have just signed the EWC, big news to democracies. We are destroying Medical Aids, we allow hate speech in "Kill The Boers", we have racial job reservation against 7% minority of the population. It's quite obvious what follows from this....history dictates it.

dave.navigate Feb 3, 2025, 05:37 PM

And adding fuel to the fire, I am sure he has better insight into the goings on in our government that we as citizens, or you as journalists do, It just comes out sounding a bit wonky sometimes. Honestly, I think this is the best thing that could have happened to the USA, the world needs a shake up.

Wing Nut Feb 3, 2025, 06:20 PM

“constitutional democracy that is deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality." Guptas & numerous court cases Zuma & arms deal VBS AA/BEE .... and the list goes on & on & on..... I'm sick & tired of hearing this lie, day in & day out!

lesibamehlape Feb 3, 2025, 07:39 PM

Very annoying to realise that some white farmers pin their hope on a lunatic, hoping that a worse racist like Donald would simply extend his crazy policies to S.A

ebrahim.aar Feb 3, 2025, 08:12 PM

So many are worried about land grab. I guess it's also painful on the other cheek. Our grandparents were robbed of the land and we want it back. Courts will decide what happens next atleast it will be done without bloodshed.

Rod MacLeod Feb 3, 2025, 11:01 PM

How far do you want to turn the clock back, Ebrahim? To the date when the first nation people were hunted and slaughtered? Or just until 1948?

Cunningham Ngcukana Feb 3, 2025, 11:40 PM

Fear mongering and lies about the Expropriation Act which every country has in the world by right wingers and a madman who is a US President. We must cease to use aid for HIV/AIDS and use the regular budget. The Americans must be told to go to hell and we can take the R370 used for alcohol for AIDS.

Nico Kuyper Feb 4, 2025, 07:20 AM

The real question is why is trump suddenly interested in SA politics. Yes, we do have massive issues in SA but the last thing we need now is more panic. The GNU is already facing ever more turbulent times. Yes Mr Trump: we know ANC is a disease which plagues SA, but please stay out of our politics.

C B Feb 4, 2025, 02:17 PM

But why should they stay out? Should they have stayed out when they imposed sanctions on the apartheid government for similar reasons? Or is there a double standard where expropriation and racism are suddenly acceptable in the modern world? And we should keep quite because we are in rough patch?

pietskietvantond Feb 4, 2025, 07:53 AM

SCA said this about Cowen: The conclusion reached by the LCC rested on a foundation that was purely conjectural, not foreshadowed in the papers and of which the trust had not been forewarned. It follows that neither the approach, nor the conclusion reached by the LCC can be supported on appeal.

Anthony Krijger Feb 4, 2025, 10:35 AM

So the expropriation without compensation will be decided by a court. The person who is having his land expropriated without compensation will no doubt have to pay his own way to defend himself against the law. When he is bankrupt, he'll capitulate, and the law is deemed fair????

grantanthonyaub Feb 4, 2025, 01:16 PM

The ANC better get their act together or all US aid to SA will be stopped. This dreadful, corrupt, incompetent party seem intent on turning SA into the next Zimbabwe. "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Mike Pragmatist Feb 4, 2025, 05:42 PM

I am waiting on Ramaphoza to "school Trump" on why his wonderful Democracy find it necessary to enact more race-based legislation than the hated Apartheid government. He can also school him on why legislation to protect 81% against less than 10% is necessary..... and so much more@