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‘SA is violating rights, treating certain people badly’ - Trump's words inadvertently echo fundamentals of apartheid

US President Donald Trump has accused South Africa of confiscating land, ‘treating certain classes of people very badly’ and of violating their rights. His words to the South African government describe the fundamentals of apartheid.
‘SA is violating rights, treating certain people badly’ - Trump's words inadvertently echo fundamentals of apartheid

Thirty-one years after South Africa became a democracy, US President Donald Trump has accused the country of stamping on the rights of certain residents and treating them badly.

While Trump’s claims refer to present-day South Africa, his words happen to detail what transpired decades ago pre-1994 under apartheid.

The impacts of that regime are still apparent in this country, especially among those it targeted.

The US Department of State refers to apartheid as “a system of governance that formalized the political subjugation of the majority non-white population”, while another US government site describes it as the “harsh, institutionalized system of racial segregation”.

https://youtu.be/vZM0QzYT6Aw?feature=shared

Like he is doing now, Trump, in his previous capacity as US president in 2018, lashed out at the South African government.

And that had also involved the issue of land.

In that previous incident, he referenced claims about South Africa seizing land from white farmers and the killing of farmers.

Read more: Nechama Brodie challenges myths of the ‘white genocide’ in her book Farm Killings in South Africa

While farmer killings, like all other murders, are a problem in South Africa, Trump’s stance fed into the “white genocide” narrative.

In that 2018 saga, the South African government had rebutted, saying Trump’s comments were “unfortunate”.

Now he is at it again.

‘Cutting future funding’


On Monday, 3 February 2025, Trump stated on the Truth Social platform: “South Africa is confiscating land, and treating certain classes of people VERY BADLY. 

“It is a bad situation that the Radical Left Media doesn’t want to so much as mention. A massive Human Rights VIOLATION, at a minimum, is happening for all to see. The United States won’t stand for it, we will act. 

“Also, I will be cutting off all future funding to South Africa until a full investigation of this situation has been completed!”



Trump’s future funding cuts to this country are, in a sense, amplifying the age-old “divide and conquer” strategy, which was the basis of apartheid.

He made the accusations about land confiscations and a human rights violation presumably in response to President Cyril Ramaphosa recently signing the Expropriation Bill into law.

Confiscation claims vs the Constitution


The most contentious part of the Bill appears to be that it is: “To provide for certain instances where expropriation with nil compensation may be appropriate in the public interest.”

In other words, the government may, in certain instances, seize land without compensation.

Circumstances for this include: “Where the land is not being used and the owner’s main purpose is not to develop the land or use it to generate income, but to benefit from appreciation of its market value.”

Read more: Expropriation Bill: decades in the making, what lies ahead for South Africa?

On Monday, in response to Trump’s accusations, President Ramaphosa emphasised that South Africa’s democracy was rooted in law, justice and equality.

“The South African government has not confiscated any land,” he countered.

“The recently adopted Expropriation Act is not a confiscation instrument, but a constitutionally mandated legal process that ensures public access to land in an equitable and just manner as guided by the Constitution.”

South African-born Trump ally Elon Musk then weighed in.



In reaction to Ramaphosa, Musk posted on X: “Why do you have openly racist ownership laws?”

While Trump, in his accusations, did not specify which “certain classes of people” were being treated “very badly” in and by South Africa, it appears he was referencing people who own land, in other words, people who have not been historically disadvantaged.

In other words, white people.

If so, there is irony to this because Trump’s accusations and assertions are applicable to apartheid, and he is, in a sense, creating the impression of reverse apartheid in South Africa. 

Much like Musk’s response to Ramaphosa on X does.

This is a breakdown of Trump’s accusations and his assertion, and how these fit into what happened during apartheid.

‘South Africa is confiscating land, and treating certain classes of people VERY BADLY’ = apartheid’s Natives Land Act and Group Areas Act

The South African government labelled the 1913 Natives Land Act as “apartheid’s original sin”.

A section on land reform on the government’s official website explains: “The 1913 Natives Land Act saw thousands of black families forcibly removed from their land by the apartheid government. 

“The Act became law on 19 June 1913 limiting African land ownership to 7 percent and later 13 percent... 

“The Act restricted black people from buying or occupying land. The apartheid government began the mass relocation of black people to poor homelands and to poorly planned and serviced townships.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaVFZgtY1l8

Under apartheid, the Group Areas Act of 1950 was also enforced, and this resulted in residents being segregated according to skin colour. 

This led to forced removals, with “non-white” residents being made to relocate to areas further away from business hubs and with fewer resources.

Land was therefore seized – confiscated – to maintain apartheid’s racist status quo.

Using Trump’s words, and to put it mildly, under apartheid “certain classes of people” were indeed treated “very badly”.

‘It is a bad situation that the Radical Left Media doesn’t want to so much as mention’ = claim reminiscent of apartheid media censorship or media complicity with that regime

If Trump is indeed referencing South Africa’s Expropriation Bill now being law, as it appears he is, then it is important to point out that the media has reported on the issue extensively in South Africa, and further afield. 

Under apartheid, there were censorship laws, and the government tried to control the media. (Those censorship laws are no longer in effect.)

In various cases, the media was complicit in upholding apartheid, so, what Trump is now saying about certain media not wanting to mention “a bad situation” in a way reflects what happened under apartheid.

To be clear though, South Africa’s land expropriation matter has been widely reported on, locally and internationally.

If Trump is suggesting it has not been reported on via his lens of viewing the issue, then that may be indicative of a healthy media not reporting from, or sheerly on, a specific political stance.

‘A massive Human Rights VIOLATION, at a minimum, is happening for all to see. The United States won’t stand for it, we will act’ = apartheid violated human rights and was a crime against humanity

Trump’s words here again emphasise what apartheid was – a mass of human rights violations. 

Apartheid was a crime against humanity.

The US initially did “stand for it”, but later acted against it.

According to the US Department of State’s Office of the Historian website: “US policy toward the [apartheid] regime underwent a gradual but complete transformation that played an important conflicting role in apartheid’s initial survival and eventual downfall.”

It explained that former US president Harry Truman “chose not to protest the anti-communist South African government’s system of apartheid in an effort to maintain an ally against the Soviet Union in southern Africa”.

The website added: “This set the stage for successive administrations to quietly support the apartheid regime as a stalwart ally against the spread of communism.”

Due to developments, the US later took a stand against apartheid.

Trump has now said “the US won’t stand for” a “massive human rights violation” – that, in effect, became the US’s stance on apartheid.

‘Also, I will be cutting off all future funding to South Africa until a full investigation of this situation has been completed!’ = reminiscent of sanctions against apartheid South Africa

Trump’s cutting off of future funding to South Africa is almost a reverse throwback to when the US imposed sanctions on this country to take on the apartheid regime.

The US’s 1986 Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act saw to it that sanctions were imposed against South Africa.

That, to an extent, cut off South Africa economically.

What Trump is doing now, though, in cutting funds to South Africa, will impact the democratic state.

‘False information’


Trump has before pitted himself against the South African government.

In 2018, during his first stint as US president, he posted on X: “I have asked Secretary of State [Mike Pompeo] to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. ‘South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.’”

Trump tagged US conservative media personality Tucker Carlson and Fox News in that post, in which he was presumably referring to what was being reported on there.



South Africa’s Department of International Relations and Cooperation had reacted by issuing a statement saying Trump’s post was “based on false information and lobbying by certain South African lobby groups that seek to derail and frustrate the land redistribution programme.”

Another section of the department’s statement said: “The Government of South Africa wishes to caution against alarmist, false, inaccurate and misinformed, as well as – in some cases – politically-motivated statements that do not reflect the policies and intentions of the South African Government.”

Strong then strained relations


Relations between Trump and South Africa have obviously seen better days.

On 27 April 2020, which is Freedom Day in South Africa and commemorates the country’s first democratic elections, Trump had warm words for the country.

He had said: “The United States and South Africa share strong social, economic and educational ties, and I am pleased that our bilateral relationship continues to grow. 

“I know that you share my desire to deepen these links in pursuit of mutual prosperity, strengthen our health and security cooperation, and reinforce our people-to-people connections.”

Fast-forward nearly five years and the US-South Africa relationship is clearly taking serious strain.

Things can still be smoothed over, though.

Ramaphosa said on Monday that he looks “forward to engaging with the Trump administration over our land reform policy and issues of bilateral interest”.



As for Trump, last year he stated that if he was jailed for speaking the truth he would “gladly become a Modern Day Nelson Mandela”.

Trump’s actions going forward in relation to land legislation in South Africa now have the potential to either mend his ties with Ramaphosa, or do the opposite, and also make those words about the country’s first democratic president seem even more outlandish.DM

Comments

Craig A Feb 4, 2025, 06:29 AM

You'd think he would have other issues to spend his time on. What a moron.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:12 AM

He basically won the American presidency campaigning against these exact issues. He hates the cadres, today, it seems, SAfricans hate trump MORE than the cadres, so will rally around reverse racism in some weird reaction to it.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 10:02 AM

Ironically deploying 'cadres' is exactly what he is doing....

sakhetshoni Feb 4, 2025, 11:33 AM

true

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 01:05 PM

Fortunately his cadres are mostly rich by their own merit and hard work. Subtle difference regarding our cadres. That's a promising start.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 03:06 PM

Fresh from the other burn you gave me. Of course we can't predict the future but I would wager we gonna see the same amount of fingers in pies in US as here with all of them cadres too... also read Outliers to get a better perspective of "own merit and hard work".

Sam Shu Feb 4, 2025, 03:14 PM

Not exactly. They (tesla, spaceX, etc) have been the beneficiaries of massive govt contracts which involves its own form of lopping and influence peddling. And they are now in a position to behave exactly as our cadres do.

Rod MacLeod Feb 4, 2025, 06:33 AM

Let's be honest here for a moment - which class of South Africans is the only class that is NOT included in any equity regulations? In case you're unaware, it's the white male species. Would you call that treating certain classes very badly?

D'Esprit Dan Feb 4, 2025, 08:36 AM

If everybody was treated equally from the get go, yes.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:42 AM

When was the get go? And, can you enlighten me as to the period I must wait to reclaim my land after it's forceably taken from me in the near future? 30 years? 100? Serious question.

Rod MacLeod Feb 4, 2025, 11:55 AM

And when was the "get go" Dan? Before 1994? Before 1948? Before 1913? before the second or first Boer war of independence? Before the 1820 Settlers? Before 1706? Before 1652? Before the arrival of the Nguni colonialists? Before the Khoisan? Any thoughts on how far back to roll it?

Michael Cinna Feb 4, 2025, 12:01 PM

Has there ever been a system anywhere in history that treated everyone exactly equal and do you have any evidence that current discrimination resolves past discrimination? And at what threshold or metric would your pseudo morality be satisfied?

cremdelacrem c Feb 4, 2025, 12:06 PM

? Have always treated everyone equally throughout my life. Employer's seek black individuals only, quota systems, white farmers always being intimidated, university applications don't apply to best qualified for intake, etc etc from the get go

in Feb 4, 2025, 01:29 PM

Yes, God was very unfair when dishing out brainpower, ability and nous. Some groups didn't get too much of any of these.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 03:07 PM

With you especially unfair...

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 03:22 PM

If someone has to state that their "logic is deadly" you are sure right that it isn't, but I could guess where it was coming from...

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 09:05 AM

Read the legislation before making a comment like this... EE legislation says the employee demographics must look like the country's... so yea white males are right in there...

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 06:28 PM

For what purpose must they look that way?

C B Feb 4, 2025, 09:57 AM

"Treating certain classes very badly" is an understatement, in my opinion. Subjecting white males to laws that violate human rights is a more accurate way to put it.

drfreud1 Feb 4, 2025, 06:48 AM

Didn't Trump just restrict US aid money to AIDS patients, the majority of whom would be black? I wonder how many will die as a result of this. Echoes Thabo Mbeki's misguided response to HIV. But clearly, land held by white people like Elon Musk is a far more important priority!!

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 07:35 AM

He absolutely did. But he runs the US. Its not his responsibility to run South Africa. We keep insisting on giving the middle finger. Are you suggesting we are useless that we can't, after 30 years sort out our own problems. A better life for all you think? I know who I blame for lost black lives.

Jean Grové Feb 4, 2025, 09:00 AM

And how many people are struggling because of money YOU choose not to hand out?

louw.nic Feb 4, 2025, 12:57 PM

If you continue to willfully misconstrue the facts at hand, you may have a future in mainstream media! Jokes. LOL. Please don't ban me.

Barry Stuart Feb 4, 2025, 06:50 AM

Is there a way to filter out news stories with this guy’s name in it? It’s like a daily reminder that you can combine all the grossest human traits, package them in a wobbly, unintelligible, orange sack, and actual real humans will still vote for it.

Hidden Name Feb 4, 2025, 07:36 AM

Hmm - and we constantly have Zuma, ANC and EFF/ATM other clowns as such great examples of voter discretion? I think you are fixating on the wrong problem here.

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 07:38 AM

Yes, immigrate to North Korea. Their news outlets will be more to your taste.

Barry Stuart Feb 4, 2025, 11:59 AM

Those are the only options? Read articles about Trump or move to North Korea? I was hoping for a simple filter script.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 01:45 PM

lol

stevendv.elec Feb 4, 2025, 07:43 AM

Nicely worded and a sentiment shared by many.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:22 AM

Yep, less than 50% of americans, and roughly about the same here. So less than half?

Barry Stuart Feb 4, 2025, 12:02 PM

Now do Europe, Asia, South America, and Australia.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 01:19 PM

I'll make it easy for you Barry. Take the countries that are socialist and broke, with low quality of life, and you'll see the numbers that agree with your idealogy. I will point to the prosperous nations where socialism is kept at bay, and tally those up.

ellabellaburger Feb 4, 2025, 08:22 AM

I concur. He sends shivers down my spine and now he is inciting even more hate in our country that certainly does not need it.

D'Esprit Dan Feb 4, 2025, 08:37 AM

Love it!

Penny Philip Feb 4, 2025, 09:09 AM

Agree 100%

franna63 Feb 4, 2025, 11:56 AM

Lib meltdown right here! Suk it up chum! Another 4 years!!

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 02:30 PM

ANC for another 4 years!! Suk it up Chief...

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 04:29 PM

We are, and unfortunately our poor people, sucking it up for nearly 30 now. Hoping you reconsider your idealogy Stu, but not holding my breath.

Sean Bauer Feb 4, 2025, 02:45 PM

Well, I'm no Donald Trump fan, but he's an angel compared to some of our local leadership, so good luck filtering all of that out. Or do they continue to get a free ride?

Is there hope South Africa? Feb 4, 2025, 04:48 PM

Try using your own filter and just don't read them or comment on them!

Jubilee 1516 Feb 4, 2025, 06:51 AM

Apartheid + the 1913 Act were dreadful; I am glad it is over. Like AA, BBBEE etc., it was a Crime Against Humanity, but be realistic, according to UN's HDI's, it did produce the best educated, wealthiest and healthiest black majority on Earth. Compare to the rest of Africa in 1994, and SA in 2025?

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 09:04 AM

After 30 years, its hard to understand why anybody would vote for the ANC. If the lives of the poorest and most vulnerable can still be compared to how the Apartheid regime left them. An absolute disgrace.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 09:45 AM

This comment is why EWC is completely justified...

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 10:35 AM

Well let's hope then they take your business and house first Stu, since you feel it is so justified.

Jubilee 1516 Feb 4, 2025, 10:48 AM

Point out any lies please sir. Please.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 12:09 PM

You made the statement so burden on proof is on you. I call BS, you back it up. Unfortunately I am not a health, education or finance expert but I can tell you that FAR more people of colour have bank accounts and assets now than pre-1994.

Jubilee 1516 Feb 4, 2025, 01:44 PM

Study the UN Human Development Index per country over time. Us having our hands full with people from liberated countries trying to get INTO 70's and 80's SA already for a better life. Study the Cottesloe Declaration comparisons 1948, 1953 to 1960. Alan Paton and ZK Matthews attended.

Sean Bauer Feb 4, 2025, 02:51 PM

I can also tell you that more black South Africans live in poverty today, more black people are killed by black people, more black people are exploited and lied to by black people, and on a balance of things that South Africa is worse off economically now on many more fronts compared to pre-1994.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 03:48 PM

Just have. In 1980, South Africa's HDI was 0.658, and in 1990 it rose to 0.698. (right from google). Now it's sitting at around 0.725 (right from the UN website)... Then a declaration means FA unless it is acted upon. Also it was too late for the church to do anything... Missionaries did enough

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 12:31 PM

Truth & reality are not for sensitive viewers.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 02:31 PM

ouch, rush me to the burn unit

C B Feb 4, 2025, 10:56 AM

This comment is why what Afriforum did is completely justified...

Michael Cinna Feb 4, 2025, 12:05 PM

Show us the way Stu - please shine your transformative light upon us. Please give your home away to the nearest land applicant because your wealth and property is built upon stolen land and black legacy.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 01:42 PM

I don't have a solution Terrence, but this little fairytale denialism isn't it, you know the one white South Africans tell themselves that blacks had it better. And all of you fell for it... broad, sweeping ill-informed statements (like mine AND Jubilees AND Trumps) are not the answer either...

C B Feb 4, 2025, 02:54 PM

Then back your argument. Take the initiative and give your home away. Be the inspiration for the rest of the denialist us.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 01:44 PM

And you fell for it because you only condemned mine!

in Feb 4, 2025, 01:39 PM

Well, comrade, why don't you set the example? Expropriate your own property and give it away free to previously disadvantaged people. Talk is cheap, after all. But of course you won't. The motto of the woke hypocrite is: "Listen to the hot air I spew, but never, ever look at how I act."

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 02:54 PM

ooo another burn! check the response above... I could say something about eating out of hands but you already doing that with Trusk DLM...

Jane Crankshaw Feb 4, 2025, 06:54 AM

Do you really think that Trump or Musk give a toss about South Africa and its minorities? This is all about Starlink & the race for Satellite Communication domination against India and China. CR wants 30% ownership ( prob with big comm built in) and Trusk wants quick global sign up! IMHO!

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 08:28 AM

Probably not. I think that's the ANC's job to care about South Africa. As for big business, the goal is to succeed and be a profitable as possible. Not give 30% of it away for free. That only works in South Africa.

Rob Wilson Feb 4, 2025, 09:29 AM

Which is why the economy is as depressed as it is.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 09:10 AM

yip the far more likely motivation, but the emotive always trumps the obvious... After all trump was a reality tv personality... he knows that the world is largely an easily excitable, sensationalist mass and he's playing to a T... the art of distraction... got to give him that...

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:35 AM

Trump won his campaign in large part because of his anti-dei stance. He actively hates it, and is now target the 'world champions' of that line of thinking.

Shane Harrison Feb 4, 2025, 06:58 AM

Why are we complaining when SA continually acts against US interests. The ANC should go begging at Russia, China, and Iran’s door! You reap what you sow!

dian Feb 4, 2025, 07:38 AM

Please give an example of how SA acts against US interests? How many people in the USA are suffering because of SA policy towards USA? I'd like clarity on this please.

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 08:33 AM

The USA has a massive debt to GDP ratio. It also has its struggles with health care etc. Giving money away to many countries doesn't help elevate the std of living in the US. Particularly to those that clearly don't appreciate it. There is massive poverty in many places in USA.

Jean Grové Feb 4, 2025, 09:02 AM

ZA voted against the US in all but one or two motions when we weere in the UN Security Council We start the ICC case We are siding with Russia, possibly supplying them. We are aligning with China and Iran Did you really not know?

Stephen Paul Feb 4, 2025, 10:44 AM

Succintly put. But if you have been paying attention you will know that the ANC have. No more massive bankruptcy woes as an example.

Sam Shu Feb 4, 2025, 03:20 PM

I think this is the core of it. Trump is using EWC to cosy up to his racist supporters but South Africa does deserve some kind of penalty for its anti-western, anti-democratic and immoral behavior

amuhnkuna Feb 4, 2025, 07:00 AM

I doubt that the ignorant Trump is au fait with the Land Act of 1913. It's due to this and his white supremacism that fellow racists like Afriforum and Elon Musk can use him as their battering rams in pursuit of taking us back to 1948. We, the natives, need resolve to right the historical wrongs.

Kenneth FAKUDE Feb 4, 2025, 05:35 PM

Afriforum/DA/Trump/Musk are busy parachuting the ANC back into landslide victory, this was the time to Argue for the GNU that is in government now but instead people fall back to the color line perpetuated by Trump which does not reflect on how we are doing our business here, diversity is the way.

Malcolm McManus Feb 4, 2025, 07:06 AM

If the ANC wasn't still trying to be a part of a deceased cold war from 35 years ago, this article would not need to have been written. The ANC just cant let go of the past and move forwards. It is affecting their future and the future of the country. They are too dumb and stubborn to realize it.

Hidden Name Feb 4, 2025, 07:33 AM

The author of this article is completely missing the point of what Trump is saying. He is not wrong, much as it irks me to say it - BEE deliberately disadvantages/advantages people on the basis of their skin colour (ie its a race based law) and it has NO sunset clause. Meaning its forever.

Mike Lawrie Feb 4, 2025, 08:00 AM

Agreed, and it also irks me to say so. Let us hope that Trump will focus on the racist BEE laws as well.

Jane Crankshaw Feb 4, 2025, 08:18 AM

Trump is only concentrating on the BEE policy that is hindering the Trusks personal powerbase and wealth! This is not political….its economic!

Glyn Morgan Feb 4, 2025, 09:10 AM

Right Jane, but he does have a point. BEE (which is what I think he was talking about) is racist.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:37 AM

It makes no difference. Any enemy of the cadres is instantly my friend. But for what it's worth, Trump won, in large part, because he promised to deal with DEI. Now he's targeting the biggest DEI champions in the world, and using their totally failing country to motivate it. So should you!

busbaracc Feb 4, 2025, 09:40 AM

Perhaps, not sure how withholding funds is going to enrich his personal powerbase, for that he would do well to take lessons from our very efficient government. 8 billion per annum... IMHO their greatest concern is being investigated to see what is actually being done with said funds !!

C B Feb 4, 2025, 11:12 AM

"According to a Daily Maverick article by Wandile Sihlobo (7 August 2024), "The South African government has amassed more than two million hectares of land that have never been allocated to beneficiaries". The media reports only what suits the prevailing narrative.

Ron Ron Feb 4, 2025, 12:38 PM

Very well said C B. 30 years after the end of Apartheid there is no justification for racial laws, but of course the grabologists love them, more opportunities for self enrichment. The Donald sees right through them and cares not what he gets called.

Sam Shu Feb 4, 2025, 03:23 PM

Not really fair. The concept is not unreasonable given our country’s history and the continuing gap between the (mostly) white haves and the (mostly) black have nots. The govt has used it however to corruptly funnel jobs, enormous amounts of money and power to themselves a their cronies.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 06:32 PM

You mean the socialists and the capitalists. You're welcome to make it a colour thing though, that's been the go to.

Cachunk Feb 4, 2025, 07:34 AM

Yup. This “journo” has always been an anc sycophant.

Laurette De Jager Feb 4, 2025, 07:50 AM

Didn't Trump threaten a land grab of Greenland, just a week ago? Pot calling the kettle black much, POTUS?

franna63 Feb 4, 2025, 08:07 AM

.....so you just learned a new word? Laughable comment.

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 08:34 AM

Laughable!! Go research to see why Trump wants Greenland...per negotiation and agreement, not hostile take over. Denmark is useless in bringing advantages to Greenland, many residents there would love US to be in charge, security for the West would benefit as China and Russia rule the waves there..

Richard Kennard Feb 4, 2025, 09:44 AM

Give us the facts on the numbers that are pro US? Give me Denmark any day over the US...Denmark has a much higher degree of civility that is reflected in both health care & education.

Laurette De Jager Feb 4, 2025, 04:21 PM

The comment was intended to be laughable if not humorous. Satire: the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. Another New Word!

Richard Kennard Feb 4, 2025, 08:11 AM

Greenland election coming up & it looks like bribery will be a way to sway Greenlanders to favour the US

Jane Crankshaw Feb 4, 2025, 08:19 AM

Hear Hear - well said Ms De Jager!

D'Esprit Dan Feb 4, 2025, 08:39 AM

Please Laurette, don't bring facts into this! You'll get the whole sweaty gamut of swivel-eyed acronyms thrown at you!

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:49 AM

Which set of facts Dan? The ones espoused by Trump hating, self flagellating DEI champions? Or the ones where Greenland has a large portion of it's population (to be calculated accurately via vote shortly) that wants to join the US as a state?

alastairmgf Feb 4, 2025, 07:51 AM

So because Trump said it, it suddenly makes Expropriation Without Compensation right. Does the author support EWC? Does DM support this legislation?

Jane Crankshaw Feb 4, 2025, 08:21 AM

I don't think anyone on this feed including DM is supporting EWC - merely pointing out the double standards at play here!

Glyn Morgan Feb 4, 2025, 09:13 AM

What is BEE if it is not EWC? It is expropriation of jobs without compensation. EOJ?

hennie.stander Feb 4, 2025, 07:56 AM

AA/BEE is the same as apartheid, i.e. it is racist and discriminating against people with a certain pigmentation. I am waiting for a new law enforcing separate and segregated neighbourhoods, schools and universities to be added to the current 141 anti-white laws we have at the moment.

Jane Crankshaw Feb 4, 2025, 08:24 AM

BEE policies are more than racist - they’re anti investment, corrupting and derogatory to competent and capable black people!

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:51 AM

Yet you actively target and hate on the first world leaders to call it out and try, in their own way, to deal with it? And to help our citizens?

megapode Feb 4, 2025, 08:57 AM

What we have today is nothing like apartheid. There are no restrictions on where you can own property. You have a vote. There is no crude censorship as was employed in the 80s. You can marry who you want. You don't need to show documents to any police man at any time. Have we forgotten so quickly?

franna63 Feb 4, 2025, 08:05 AM

What a load of BS article! ANC cader for sure!

andretait156 Feb 4, 2025, 08:07 AM

Here we go again ..... Some people did apartheid 30 years ago. That justifies doing the following to people that weren't even born yet. Deny job opportunity, university, promotions, tenders. Clearly racist laws. EWC is not the main thing. Its being used now in the media to distract from actual laws

grootkoospta Feb 4, 2025, 08:11 AM

Ramaphosa is the author of his own misfortune. He and the ANC sold the new law as a vehicle for 'transformation' and land redistribution. Now, when Trump acts on this narrative, Ramaphosa denies that the act was meant to grab land without compensation.

Betsy Kuhn Feb 4, 2025, 01:36 PM

I agree, Luckily Donald Trump and the worlds eyes are watching this self centered , corrupt communists that pretends to know how to run SA,,,,all they good at is stealing

abuchan Feb 4, 2025, 08:13 AM

This is a Class ONE CRIMINAL President . Convicted in a Criminal Court with a CRIMINAL Record . He is desperately trying to expunge it through coercion. Now let's see if he gives the all of the American lands he and his ancestors stole from the indigenous First People of America .

johnmkas Feb 4, 2025, 09:20 AM

If you live in the past you get left behind

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:52 AM

Abu, when our land is forcably taken from us shortly, how long must we wait before we can claim it back? Who decides who took what first? And how far do we go back? Serious question.

Balekatou Feb 4, 2025, 08:15 AM

You liberal media seem to forget the 127 race based laws in Sa, the reluctance to remove squatters on farms or defaulting tenants in rental buildings, BBEEE, TAXES targeting White men, poor policing and Goverment departments leaving certain races without any recourse. Shame on you!

lottinoleonardo Feb 4, 2025, 01:04 PM

Don't forget about the targeting of white students....my brilliant daughter who aced matric with distinction tried applying for Medicine at all the major University's but was denied because of the color of her skin!

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 08:17 AM

And there you have it! All the panic, pearl clutching, doomsday predictions about inflation rising are now moot! Mexico and Canada took just a few hours to cave, now promising to spend billions and deploy 1000s of soldiers on securing their borders. No tariffs needed after all...

alastairmgf Feb 4, 2025, 08:58 AM

Which was precisely the plan all along. The woke leftist liberal hand wringing TDS suffering Guardian Readers just don’t get it.

Richard Kennard Feb 4, 2025, 10:06 AM

Name a better paper...that's for free?

alastairmgf Feb 4, 2025, 01:14 PM

A paper better than The Guardian? Surely you joke?

Miss Jellybean Feb 4, 2025, 09:07 AM

More like Trump caved when they retaliated with their own increased tariffs against the US. Canada stated months ago they were increasing border forces & by Dec 2024 already had 8500 deployed. He's just spinning it as a win for MAGA supporters. US relies on Canadian oil suppliers

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 02:08 PM

Are you a serious jellybean? Trump cave?? He got EXACTLY what he wanted in about 24 hours flat. He is not scared of Canada, that's for sure. What people don't know either is that Canada has had much bigger tariffs on American imports than America on Canadian imports for years.

Johan Buys Feb 4, 2025, 04:24 PM

The US imports 4 million barrels of Canadian crude PER DAY for its refineries. Not designed to refine US light grade oil. The expected impact was $0.30 to $0.40 increase in pump. THAT is why trump caved - his voters would go ballistic.

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 06:42 PM

The ignorance of this is beyond belief...Trump vaved to nothing and no one. He 100% got his way. This TDS knows no bounds. Funny how ignorant people so often don't know they are ignorant...and then they become arrogant. Pathetic

johnmkas Feb 4, 2025, 09:21 AM

Like Colombia, Mexico, Canada, RSA will need to toe the line

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 02:55 PM

Don't forget Panama, who have promised not to renew their contract with China which enabled it to run the Canal and charge whatever tariffs they decide, and charged the US unfair sky high tariffs. Rubio is quite brilliant! Interesting that even though a Trump pick, the Dems voted 100% for him!

Richard Kennard Feb 4, 2025, 10:02 AM

The demand for Fentanyl will still be there...that's the core issue that everyone ignores. It will now be pricier with greater more sophisticated illicit trade.

Glyn Morgan Feb 4, 2025, 09:00 AM

Good article, Caryn. Trouble is, there seems to be a blind spot in it. “To provide for certain instances where expropriation with nil compensation may be appropriate in the public interest.” In other words, seize land without compensation. Even unused land that is an investment has value.

Penny Philip Feb 4, 2025, 09:02 AM

He said these words too in his last term......spurred on by right wing racist journalists (a couple of whom visited South Africa as guests of right wing elements here). Yes, our crime is out of hand. There is no orchestrated campaign farm murders. Trump is a nutter...Canada/ Greenland/ Panama etc!

megapode Feb 4, 2025, 09:02 AM

People are talking about TDS. Here's the thing: Trump is unpredictable and acts rashly. He shoots first, asks questions later. The likes of Afriforum would do well to remind themselves that they control the propaganda feed him, but they cannot control the response.

Stu McCro Feb 4, 2025, 09:14 AM

For all you Trump followers and especially the "he won get over it crew". ANC WON THE ELECTION. DEAL WITH IT. GET OVER IT. THIS IS DEMOCRACY.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 09:58 AM

Your point is? That democracy sucks? Or that we just have to put up with leaders we hate? Not sure you can be quite so joyous about comments like this without giving up a whole lot of humanity to do so.

Richard Kennard Feb 4, 2025, 12:15 PM

Good point Johnny, that applies to both SA & the USA

hennie.stander Feb 4, 2025, 10:39 AM

The ANC did not win. They do not even have a majority. It is not democracy, it is kleptocracy the way they carry on. By the way, South Africa is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Jubilee 1516 Feb 4, 2025, 12:29 PM

Technically, with 40% support, the ANC is a minority regime.

Hilary Morris Feb 4, 2025, 09:22 AM

God help us! Trump hasn't only just started destroying USA, fighting with neighbours, issuing orders, but still wants to interfere here? He is seriously the biggest threat to world peace and should not DARE even mention Mandela's name. Complete opposite of this deluded narcissist. Grrrrrrr.

godfrey.parkin Feb 4, 2025, 09:35 AM

Trump's popularity stems largely from the fact that he validates people's bigotry and gives them permission to express it. Reading the comments is a sobering reminder of how many white South Africans would vote for Trump in a heartbeat, despite his revolting nature and autocratic behaviour.

Richard Kennard Feb 4, 2025, 10:34 AM

You sum it up well Godfrey

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 11:17 AM

How many laws directly targeting white males in South Africa and excluding them in the name of restitution and equity do we have now? 141 or something? Our anger directly at racism in many forms causes us to think these things. But hey, we're wrong not to think like you huh.

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 02:24 PM

No he does not validate people's bigotry. He aims to invalidate the blind, woke, devious bigotry of the Leftist loonies who hate him because he is making them look so bad, pathetic, corrupt and ridiculous. Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer and the rest. Let him sweep clean!!

C B Feb 4, 2025, 09:49 AM

This is ironic. Didn’t the ANC lobby the world against apartheid, exposing injustices against Black people? Didn’t they also target ordinary citizens through terrorism? But when a minority group uses honest and open political means to expose them, it’s unacceptable?

propakj Feb 4, 2025, 10:01 AM

One has only to look where SA was in 1980, yes under a terribly unjust system - granted, to where it is now. No law and order, nothing has been maintained, airlines are unable to refuel at the countrys main airport, uncontrolled squatting, the list is endless. Thank heavens Trump is in power!

Lucifer's Consiglieri Feb 4, 2025, 10:02 AM

Simple really, but Trump/Musk put it very poorly. They are complaining about legislation that discriminates against all people of a race group, justified on the basis of redressing the past. What could be labelled neoracist legislation.

vermaak.andr Feb 4, 2025, 10:04 AM

Boo hoo poor ANC now you won't have dollars to pillage for your holidays. Drop the begging bowl and get of your arse and fix this country

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 02:39 PM

But they won't, will they? Because they never fix anything, only break everything. And insult the US gov, worship its enemies, support terrorist organisations, stick their noses in where they don't belong, ie the ICC. The height of arrogant hypocrisy if you consider how they run their own country.

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 02:51 PM

But boy do they keep those begging bowls out! It's the USs fault AIDS patients won't get their meds! Perhaps, Cyril, if you cleaned up the MASSIVE corruption in our health system and stopped pushing the deathly NHI agenda, you might be able to pay for all the HIV meds we could ever need????

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 02:57 PM

The ICJ, rather

Anthony Krijger Feb 4, 2025, 10:10 AM

Farms are targeted by wealthy black syndicates who have the government pay for their legal bills when they make claim after claim on farms, all unsubstantiated and when they fail, they simply move the goal posts and try again. Until the legal fees defending themselves bankrupt the same farmers.

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 02:41 PM

Exactly! So many farmers "persuaded" to leave their farms(read coerced), closely followed by the inevitable ruination of same farm....

A Z Feb 4, 2025, 10:16 AM

Caryn, the 'certain people' being treated very badly' by those who rule us are the poor, unemployed, working and middle class of every race. On service delivery, health, education, economic and job growth. Deliver on those and land expropriation falls way down on the hierarchy of needs.

John Pearse Feb 4, 2025, 10:27 AM

Think you're all missing the point; you've heard the stories of Trump settling vendettas with FBI and State Prosecutors. He has SA on his radar for taking Israel to the ICJ and its friendship with Iran and Russia, he's just building the case - you're either with him or against him.

Knowledgeispower RSA Feb 4, 2025, 02:45 PM

Settling vendettas? So you admit there were massive vendetta against him? He is the new Potus, so why should he not put new people in? Every other potus has done so. He needs to get rid of the corrupt, inefficient, often DEI appointments in the FBI and JD, which have both become laughing stocks.

talkafrica Feb 4, 2025, 11:18 AM

In the 1970s and '80s, SA had the most free press in Africa. Not because it was good but the rest of Africa was worse. And human rights across the continent were dire, but nobody cared. One needs to see apartheid in that context. But Trump is wrong about people being treated badly now in SA.

Karl Sittlinger Feb 4, 2025, 12:47 PM

While I have nothing but contempt for Trump, BEE in its current form, along with much of the narrative spun by the ANC, MK and EFF can definitely be seen as racist. I wouldn't go so far as to say whites are treated badly, but there is definitely prejudice and laws based on nothing but skin color.

Karl Sittlinger Feb 4, 2025, 12:51 PM

Theoretically, at least based on the analysis of some experts, it will be possible to expropriate not just land but anything, and the reliance on checks and balances seem to be very open to interpretation. If there truly is nothing to worry about, why was it necessary to sign this law into power?

C B Feb 4, 2025, 01:42 PM

This is ironic. Didn’t the ANC lobby the world against apartheid, exposing injustices against Black people? And they used much more extreme ways. But when a minority group uses honest and open political means to expose them, it’s unacceptable?

Harversojen5 Feb 4, 2025, 11:21 AM

As part of the rapidly diminishing white tribe of SA - we carry the burden of all historical injustices. "The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones." For the love of God give us a sunset clause and let of be rid of this endless rhetoric.

mar Feb 4, 2025, 11:36 AM

White SAcns have been lobbying to the international community with lies and false propaganda of white genocide. Foolish politicians like DT will fall for it especially with someone like EM to support the minority white SAcns. White farmers were paid handsomely for the farm schools on their land.

Jubilee 1516 Feb 4, 2025, 01:54 PM

Not one Sa politician claimed white genocide. Afriforum won a court case against ENCA for spreading the same lie you are now spreading. They have never used that word.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 03:22 PM

Thank you for being honest enough to admit you want the money. That's easier to process.

Ian Wallace Wallace Feb 4, 2025, 01:10 PM

Fact there are more laws on our books governing what you can and can’t do due to your race now than there were during apartheid. DT might well be mad and dysfunctional but then so are our current rulers. Fighting fire with fire might be all they understand.

in Feb 4, 2025, 01:27 PM

Also, the irony is that, even if Orange Man was completely out of the picture, the New!, Improved! South Africa does mirror apartheid. We have the horrible distinction of having the most race-based laws of any country. Racist BEE and racist AA are pure, anti-white apartheid.

langeraa Feb 4, 2025, 01:57 PM

If anyone thinks that minority groups are not being discriminated against in SA, are either blind, stupid or died in the wool anc supporters. If I have money, why can't I buy land and let it gain value over time. This is a fundamental tool for property developers. and an attack on my rights

langeraa Feb 4, 2025, 01:58 PM

BEE is also an imposition on rights of minority groups.

The Proven Feb 4, 2025, 02:18 PM

I stopped reading your article when I got to this: "“white genocide” narrative" And "Now he is at it again." Like him or not, he is a Democratically elected Head of State. I'm no Trump fan, but your clearly partisan reporting should be ignored, which is why I stopped reading it.

Denny Moffatt Feb 4, 2025, 02:55 PM

Exactly what is wrong in criticising apartheid and farm murders, then looking at Africa, and commenting on the Bill? Hopefully next we will hear his views on BE. A very poor piece of journalism.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 02:56 PM

In the communist manifesto, the three primary strategies for eliminating 'western culture' are as follows: 1) Remove private ownership of land 2) Centralisation of production and credit 3) Replace all western idealogies and philosophies, especially christianity, through schools and universities.

Johnny Bravo Feb 4, 2025, 06:36 PM

I say these things so you know what our enemy is up to. They hate us, see us pliable plastic material, and want us destroyed. The ANC is all in on this new communism. Be aware of it, think about it.

Sam Shu Feb 4, 2025, 03:07 PM

The amount of confusion here is astounding. No-one can argue that BEE is a disaster, the ANC is incompetent and corrupt, the govt consistently acts against western and democratic interests. But we have a constitutional court that is more balanced than the US which will restrict the effects of EWC.

Karl Sittlinger Feb 4, 2025, 05:46 PM

"No-one can argue that BEE is a disaster" I disagree. BEE is a disaster. It has enriched a few selected ANC cadres and caused huge economic harm, curbing growth in so many sectors. It is the corner stone of alot of the tenderpreneur fraud we see. Disaster, absolutely.

Sam Shu Feb 4, 2025, 03:10 PM

Further to my comment above, EWC reason for stopping aid is based in racist myth. The US, however, can and should stop direct aid to the govt based on SA actions in the UN regarding Ukraine, china, russia and iran

Sam Shu Feb 4, 2025, 03:11 PM

TDS??? What does that mean

Johan Buys Feb 4, 2025, 04:13 PM

Relax people! this was a social media post. Get excited when there is an act from house & senate, formal decision by US State department or a signed executive order.

hugojohnston Feb 4, 2025, 04:28 PM

Huh? Bro really? This is utter slop

fraser.heesom Feb 4, 2025, 04:40 PM

There is and has been apartheid in sa since 1994. Affirmative action in all govt and pvt sectors discriminates against whites The govt tender system discriminated against whites until it was ruled unconstitutional. And still the whites own south africa. what does that say about the others....?

Roke Wood Feb 4, 2025, 05:18 PM

This is a clear misunderstanding of the Act. If it is interpreted in the way Trump interprets it, such an interpretation is wrong....and if such interpretation is placed before the constitutional court it will not pass Constitutional muster. There is nothing special here, nothing of concern.