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Think Trump is the original? Nah, Zuma did it first

There is now a playbook. Jacob Zuma helped write it.
Think Trump is the original? Nah, Zuma did it first

Who remembers this little trick? 

When seeking a replacement for Thuli Madonsela in the role of public protector, President Jacob Zuma and his ANC decided to push for a Western Cape High Court judge named Siraj Desai.

Not widely loved in the legal community, and having made just 32 judgments in a 20-year career, Desai was also dogged by rape accusations. For the opposition, he was an odious choice, and both the DA and the EFF were willing to expend political energy and capital to bump his appointment off course. (In 2020, he became the Legal Services Ombudsman.) Zuma nodded sagely, and rubbed his chin, as if thinking. 

The IFP nominated a prosecutor and advocate named Busisiwe Mkhwebane, a proposal fully endorsed by the ANC. At the time, Mkhwebane was serving as an analyst at the State Security Agency, and there was of course a Gupta-linked scandal that credibly connected her to a little $5,000 payment from a Gupta account.

But compared to Desai, Mkhwebane seemed positively angelic. Yes, there was some grumbling from the opposition benches, but when Madonsela’s term came to an end, Mkhwebane was in her ergonomic executive chair before it had gotten cold.

No one reading these pages needs any help remembering how that turned out.

This, I believe, is referred to as a bait and switch. A similar tactic was employed by the once and future president of the United States of America, Donald J Trump. 

In picking for his Attorney General – a Maga stormtrooper named Matt Gaetz – he tested the gag reflex of even his most faithful supporters. Reportedly loathed by his colleagues in the House, and under scrutiny for alleged relationships with teenaged girls, Gaetz was too clownish even for Trumpworld. Once he stepped back, Trump put forward the comparatively reasonable Pam Bondi, and only mildly morally-corrupt former Florida attorney general. 

Now, the bait and switch is not a new phenomenon, and as wily as JZ may be, he can hardly be credited with inventing it. But it’s fair to say that most of the illiberal tactics Trump has initiated over the course of his many years in politics bear a striking resemblance to Zuma’s good works.

Again, I doubt that Trump is aware of Jacob Zuma’s existence, and no one at Mar-a-Lago is scouring the history of the State Capture years for pointers. Instead, Zuma remains an avatar for post-liberal kleptocratic rule that has been widely embraced in many other democracies.

Like Trump, Zuma understood his role to function as a middle-man between the state and connected cronies, so that his cabal effectively became the state, and slurped up most of the lucrative contracts that form the core of any functioning bureaucratic system.

Perennial victim


Like Trump, Zuma used a sexual assault trial and numerous corruption allegations to cast himself as a perennial victim. Despite serving as deputy president for nine years, and despite decisively winning two general elections and serving as president for nine years, he was the good guy, and all the folks pursuing him on corruption charges were the baddies.

Like Trump, Zuma turned the perceived harassment he received from the legal establishment on its head by making appointments like Busisiwe Mkhwebane, who in turn began to harass his enemies. What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander – this is the way that countries break down. 

Like Trump, Zuma established his own version of reality, and because real reality was so abjectly shitty, his version seemed more appealing. 

Like Trump, Zuma has risen from the dead, and his MK party represents the most powerful threat to South African liberalism since 1994.

Like Trump, Zuma is a big fucking liar.

In a recent interview with the Sunday Times, Zuma asserted that South African democracy has never existed, and that secret ballots in fact represent an anti-democratic impulse. (What is democracy if you don’t know who to kill for voting against you?) He claimed to have registered his disappointment in the process all along – but that simply isn’t true.

Not once during his leadership did Zuma complain about winning sizeable majorities. Not once did he complain about the long lines people stood in to cast ballots for his party. And not once did he imply that the South African system was fundamentally broken. At least, not while it served him so well. 

In fact, Zuma was a relatively tame politician during his salad days, expelling party members if they called for nationalisation of banks or mines, and generally busying himself with capturing state institutions for personal gain. Derided as a leftist, Zuma, like Trump, is instead a chauvinist revanchist, whose ideological incoherence was obvious in every statement he made, but especially regarding the economy. Never once did he make an attempt to render South Africa more economically inclusive.

The brief under Zuma was simple: Steal the state into penury.

There was, however, an ideological component to Zuma’s corruption—or rather, a rationale to his corruption programme that attempted to justify away all the damage. Zuma’s cabal claimed, correctly, that the formal economy was skewed in favour of wealthy established players, the majority of whom were white, and therefore the Constitution was flawed as a mechanism for redress.

This was not untrue, except for the fact that the Constitution is a piece of paper, and the ANC was in charge of policymaking and implementation. For 30 years, the party had hundreds of redress mechanisms at their disposal. All of which they screwed up or ignored. If the Constitutional Court acted as a restraining force during the State Capture years, that’s because Zuma and his people were so clumsy, incompetent and impatient.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2024-06-11-lifelong-victim-with-murderous-instinct-jacob-zuma-is-an-unkillable-zombie-stalking-south-africa/

Now, with MK, Zuma has fired up a base of extremely and justifiably upset people. And he’s willing to use them to fundamentally alter South Africa’s trajectory. Like Trump, he is unkillable, because he speaks many people’s truths. Like Trump, he may be old, but he ain’t going anywhere.

And like Trump, if you discount him running the country again, your bespoke reality has grown dangerously impermeable. And you’re in for a nasty surprise. DM

Comments

Jean Racine Nov 26, 2024, 01:46 AM

And then comes the wailing from the Saffer MAGAites! Regardless of the similarities, how dare Poplak compare Trump to Zuma? In their bigoted little minds, Trump and his mob are justified and their grievances reasonable, while Zuma's mob are unthinking native sheeple!

Patricia Betterton Nov 26, 2024, 07:37 AM

Took the words right out of my mouth!?

A P Nov 26, 2024, 08:34 AM

YASCCFAWC (Yet Another Spits Coffee Comment From a White Conservative) I don’t get it. Why are conservatives so active on what is essentially a liberal journalism website? Don’t you guys have your own quality media and journalists?
(Yes...rhetorical)

dexmoodl Nov 26, 2024, 09:31 AM

Could be on alt right websites in the US , some having buyers remorse with the cabinet picks , lol..drain the swamp became hire the swamp.

J dW Nov 26, 2024, 04:15 PM

Drain "this" swamp, and replace it with "my" swamp!

Karl Sittlinger Nov 26, 2024, 10:17 AM

While I agree with this opinionista and hate Trump (even though I am center right), I find your comment that conservatives should only be active on their own news sites disconcerting. So we should all only live in our echo chambers? Is this how you define liberal?

A P Nov 26, 2024, 05:19 PM

We've moved past social media's Echo Chamber phase into "emboldened and attempting to shape the world to my worldview phase." So, Yes, go back to your Echo Chamber if your resting state is hysterical and shouty. I don't define liberal; that's the assumed right of the right, right?

Karl Sittlinger Nov 26, 2024, 07:56 PM

Seems a bit like you are "hysterical and shouty" one. I am not the one telling people not to post on a website if they disagree with you, nor did I in any way endorse Trump (quite the opposite).

D'Esprit Dan Nov 26, 2024, 08:39 AM

Perfectly put!

Jubilee 1516 Nov 26, 2024, 08:48 AM

As long as Poplak focuses on the much more important, the extreme differences.

graemebirddurban Nov 26, 2024, 03:27 PM

That's on the nose :)

ttshililo2 Nov 26, 2024, 05:13 PM

Jean, ??????

Rodshep Nov 26, 2024, 06:33 AM

Like minds yes I've gotten all my children and grand children out of this country. Zuma is a very dangerous man and to those who suffer and scorn history will prove you wrong unfortunately. Africa is for the Africans, they say and I say you can have it I don't want it.

Patterson Alan John Nov 26, 2024, 09:23 AM

What will happen when Ramaprocrastinator steps down in 2028? Who is waiting in the wings? All commentators should ink their predictions now for posterity and their postmortems. Only 42 months to go! Make your predictions folks!

Patterson Alan John Nov 26, 2024, 09:26 AM

Agree 100%. What will happen when Ramaprocrastinator steps down in 2028? Who is waiting in the wings? All commentators should ink their predictions now for posterity and their postmortems. Only 42 months to go! Make your predictions folks!

graemebirddurban Nov 26, 2024, 03:30 PM

So funny then that you even bother reading stuff about our country.

Philip Mirkin Nov 26, 2024, 06:48 AM

Yes, both are brilliantly insane in similar ways, but... Trump has got a team of people like Elon and Vivek who we may not like, but who know how to make the economy work. He also understands 'strong-men' so could end the wars in Ukraine and mid east. Zuma doesn't understand either

Hilary Morris Nov 26, 2024, 08:13 AM

Dream on!

The Stoic, Cynic and Epicurean Nov 26, 2024, 10:41 AM

How myopic! Musk wants to lower the government expenditure, about $2trillion in savings! Yes, as Hilary says, "dream on" Musk&Co want more government contracts and increased spend on defence and NASA increases. Defence spend goes up&up. Musk&Co only know how to make the economy work for them.

David Harris Nov 26, 2024, 11:09 AM

Putting the foxes in charge of the henhouse is exactly what Zuma et al did years ago. How did that work out for us? Lone Skum and Ramaswamy need to eat too.

Malcolm McManus Nov 26, 2024, 03:08 PM

Trump definitely has the potential to make a big difference to USA and the world, particularly with the team he is putting together. Its a far stretch to say you can compare these two people just by targeting a few facts. You need to look at the bigger picture. Hopefully he can end the wars.

Richard Kennard Nov 26, 2024, 05:12 PM

Initial team selection looks like a bunch of sycophantic cadres with a couple already disqualifying themselves.

Greeff Kotzé Nov 26, 2024, 07:57 PM

Make the economy work for whom? Certainly not for Average Joe; that would go directly against these billlionaires' interests.

Lesley e Nov 26, 2024, 06:51 AM

So what you're saying is that there is no hope?Jacob Zuma and his MK will prevail, will ascent to the ruling/governing party? In other words, south Africa is doomed because MK resonates with those who have righteous grievances but who lack the vision to discern/care about the evil? Bleak!

Brenton Petersen Nov 26, 2024, 08:37 AM

I don't think so! MK is a party based on the Zuma Cult. Once Zuma is gone the MK party will devour itself from within.

JP K Nov 26, 2024, 11:47 AM

Let's hope. The prospect of another Zuma presidency is scary indeed.

Michael Cinna Nov 26, 2024, 06:54 AM

Reading Poplak's previous articles going back to pre-covid, you ask yourself, am I reading a pre-teen's blog or do people actually like this hyperbolic partisan style of writing? How does one fail forward so easily and get every piece of critical analysis (when there is one) wrong?

Patricia Betterton Nov 26, 2024, 07:45 AM

Pre-teen or not, facts are facts. Furthermore, you don’t need to use hyperbole when talking about either Zuma or Trump - they are that bad!?

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 08:30 AM

Sadly, the ignorance displayed in this comment is no joke. True, facts are facts so why not go and do some proper research, rather than repeating the old and discredited mantra that Trump and Zuma are the same. Watch America the next 4 years...we will be begging Trump to come and help us here!!!

busbaracc Nov 26, 2024, 09:09 AM

I agree ! there are clearly even journalists who don't read books available to everyone - they merely regurgitate the vitriol that mainstream media spews about Trump, or perhaps the skullduggery of the so- called democratic party is too intricate for journalists to understand. Partisan indeed.

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 10:05 AM

So true! They only hear what they want to hear...and thereby ignore the truth...which makes a rotten journalist

Wolfgang Gruner Nov 26, 2024, 11:48 AM

Ignorance is having faith in an objectively and very obviously, deeply flawed being like Trump. He is not the victim of irrational persecution. He is a grifter, only loyal to himself.

Steve Davidson Nov 26, 2024, 07:29 AM

What you missed is the need to keep the people stupid, which has gone on since time immemorial. And in the States they've gone one better, by convincing some of those same idiots that 'God' will destroy the world and they'll go to heaven while the rest of us burn forever. Ridiculous.

The Stoic, Cynic and Epicurean Nov 26, 2024, 08:31 AM

To add: “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Nancy Isenberg, White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America.

dexmoodl Nov 26, 2024, 07:29 AM

Matt Gaetz was not well received by both republicans and democrats for 2 main reasons he once commented ( republicans should not be whores for rich donors) , he publicly stood by Lina Khan for her going after big business to protect consumers from attacks by her fellow Democrats .

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 08:26 AM

Matt Gaetz was never convicted of anything...all charges were dropped. The reasons Dems hate him is that he is brilliant, a disruptor, extremely courageous and hard hitting...and they are terrified he will expose and destroy their shocking weaponisation of the justice system...mainly vs Trump

David Harris Nov 27, 2024, 09:51 AM

Possibly you could explain why Republicans hate him too? Markwayne Mullin and Kevin McCarthy, among many, would like to weigh in.

dexmoodl Nov 27, 2024, 10:09 AM

Weaponisation of Justice system , started under Bush administration , spill over from laws passed after 9/11. Except for Jan 6 and the sexual charges, agree all other charges against him, was political. many others have done same . Gaetz also went against Trump Justice Dept for over-reach.

Rodney Weidemann Nov 26, 2024, 09:23 AM

Or it might've been the fact that he was having sex with minors. Just saying...

mi Nov 26, 2024, 07:41 AM

Seems DM is running out of stream. Lacking Pop....

Tim Bester Nov 26, 2024, 08:15 AM

..stay woke go broke...

Stu McCro Nov 26, 2024, 03:23 PM

Ok boomer

in Nov 26, 2024, 09:54 AM

I dunno, I found Poplak's piece to be extremely original. Never read a comparison between Zuma and Trump before. Oh, wait....

Michael Cinna Nov 26, 2024, 11:32 AM

Hahahaha

jackjack12 Nov 26, 2024, 07:42 AM

Go woke, go broke DM.

Hilary Morris Nov 26, 2024, 08:12 AM

Well it was the last sentence that ruined (for me) a wonderful article. Sadly it's probably correct, Zuma himself is the nasty surprise - and the thought of him back in office is more than too much to bear. This is followed by the superstitious triple "ptew, ptew, ptew spit of God forbid-ness!

Cobble Dickery Nov 26, 2024, 08:14 AM

Will this change for the better when Zuma goes, hopefully pretty soon?

D'Esprit Dan Nov 26, 2024, 08:38 AM

Munch, munch, munch! I don't usually get the popcorn out this early in the morning, but this should be fun!

T'Plana Hath Nov 26, 2024, 02:20 PM

Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here waiting for Donald Trump to sprout a second head and his transformation into Zaphod Beeblebrox will be complete.

Jubilee 1516 Nov 26, 2024, 08:44 AM

The strange obsession with Trump continues. These perceived similarities between Trump and Zuma pale in comparison to the differences between them. But that seems unimportant.

Jubilee 1516 Nov 26, 2024, 08:47 AM

Zuma managed one thing Trump did not. He successfully named his new political party, MK, after MK, the military wing of the ANC that lost the armed struggle by a margin of 100 to nil, and most fell for it without noticing.

louw.nic Nov 26, 2024, 08:48 AM

Puerile and misinformed journalism / opinion, comprising of by lazy analogies by a journalist (?) who should know better. Same old, same old from the DM (along with CNN, MSNBC et al).

Richard Kennard Nov 26, 2024, 09:39 AM

An anonymous comment from someone not revealing themselves doesn't quite carry any real weight. Do you seriously not think the general reader here not have a diet far more expansive than CNN, MSNBC (currently flip flopping anyway) as I'm sure Fox, Sky Australia does not define you?

in Nov 26, 2024, 11:54 AM

Of course, we can be 100% sure that Richard Kennard is an actual, real person and not somebody who just used a random name and surname.

Richard Kennard Nov 26, 2024, 01:07 PM

Point taken although I will say that only 6 months ago my partner said I was unreal.

pier Nov 26, 2024, 08:53 AM

About to vommit.

Trenton Elsley Nov 26, 2024, 08:58 AM

The comment section remains a soul-sucking disappointment.

Muishond X Nov 26, 2024, 09:03 AM

Another poor article by DM needlessly bashing Trump and comparing 2 dissimilar individuals. You are right about thing, no one in the US knows who Zuma is. Zuma is a corrupt and very dangerous individual. He is a very real threat to our democracy. The courts need to deal with him NOW.

Paddy Ross Nov 26, 2024, 11:12 AM

Donald Trump is a despicable human being who lacks any vestige of morality. It does not say much for a nation, a majority of whom choose to elect such a person as their leader.

in Nov 26, 2024, 11:55 AM

In which case the Democrats should have won by a landslide, not so, if Trump is really so despicable? What does it say of the Democrats that they can't nominate an electable candidate who'd be a shoo-in? Does it not mean that Harris, Obama, Biden, Gates et al are worse than despicable?

Skinyela Nov 26, 2024, 04:10 PM

If we apply that logic, here in RSA, then the DA is much worse than the ANC. Since they even lost twice to someone like Zuma?

Malcolm McManus Nov 26, 2024, 07:31 PM

Africa loves incompetent leaders. The proof spans our whole continent.

Skinyela Nov 26, 2024, 04:18 PM

In which case the DA should have won by a landslide, not so, if Zuma is really so despicable? What does it say of the DA that they can't nominate an delectable candidate who'd be a shoo-in? Does it not mean that Steenhuizen, Maimane, Zille, etc all are worse than despicable?

Patterson Alan John Nov 26, 2024, 09:07 AM

Zuma is a major threat. He knows Black people and will attract senior people to weaken the EFF to join MK, plus other Black parties. MK has moles in the ANC, to act when Ramaphosa steps down. A Venda, he never represented the Nguni (Zulu-Xhosa) majority, like Zuma. Revenge is a meal eaten cold.

Rae Earl Nov 26, 2024, 09:27 AM

Zuma is as cunning as he is stupid. He's a master at misleading and manipulating uneducated and impoverished citizens. They regard him as their messiah. His cunning ability to destroy our economy is his strength. Stupidity will simply aggravate this all the way to state failure.

Rodney Weidemann Nov 26, 2024, 09:30 AM

Fraud and corruption accused; charged with sexual assault; anti-free press, desires revenge on those he feels 'wronged' him; unexpected political comeback; wants to be a dictator for a day; places sycophants in positions of power in government, etc - Which one are we talking about?

Richard Kennard Nov 26, 2024, 10:23 AM

Is it that orange one who's wife adores him or the other one with the diminishing harem?

chip0156 Nov 27, 2024, 09:07 PM

we all looked forward to orange overalls,now it's orange überalles

Stu McCro Nov 26, 2024, 03:25 PM

Perfect

garethgriffiths.capetown Nov 26, 2024, 09:53 AM

Well thought out, Richard Poplak. The comparison is clear. Corrupt narcissists both of them. You forgot to add Putin. The grand daddy and sponsor of both. We forget his gracious step down to PM of Federation while his acolytes rewrote the constitution to readmit him to life president.

chip0156 Nov 27, 2024, 09:02 PM

Eggs Ackly.Vlad's malign input is unmistakable in both horrible specimens.

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 09:55 AM

Certainly a very below par article when it comes to truth telling, professional journalism, balanced opinion and the rest. We have had enough of this angry and blinkered little man. Let's have some fresh views by more respectable and believable journalists. This is just not interesting. Old old old

Richard Kennard Nov 26, 2024, 10:36 AM

"We have had enough of this angry and blinkered little man" Your personal insults define you likewise that cousin of yours Laura.

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 11:26 AM

The personal insults and unnecessary vitriol are all on coming from Poplak. You yourself are defined by your acceptance of such as respectable journalism. Perhaps you need to spend a little time researching the facts, as he should. And I don't have a cousin called Laura?????

in Nov 26, 2024, 11:57 AM

Yah. Poplak's tired ranting is so 4 November. Yawn.

Gled Shonta Nov 26, 2024, 12:30 PM

Funny how people who dish out insults retreat to the laager at a hint of insult! The rightwhingers here really are tiresome and offer so little of substance.

Stu McCro Nov 26, 2024, 03:26 PM

With all due respect, you keep reading his articles it seems... and thinking them worthy of comment!

BillyBumhe Nov 26, 2024, 10:28 AM

Sensitive over-reaction from Trump supporters is always a joy to watch. You guys won, yet you're still miserable and angry. If we are entering a golden age led by the orange messiah, surely a bit of fun from a TDM writer should not matter?

Michael Cinna Nov 26, 2024, 11:13 AM

It’s the superficial analysis, rather. Why stop at Zuma, he’s also been compared to Hitler by this writer. In right wing circles, he is Reagan incarnate. This is obviously a click-bait driven article, which should bother you regardless of your politics, because you’re paying for this garbage

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 11:35 AM

Miserable and angry? Over the moon, optimistic, relieved, is a more fitting description for we "Trump supporters". It's you Trump haters who need to find yourselves a sense of humor...and realise how lucky you are that a man who punts Peace through Strength won. Maybe the world has a chance now

BillyBumhe Nov 26, 2024, 12:04 PM

Then why are you commenting so angrily ever time the fellon is criticised?

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 03:53 PM

No anger here at all...just complete incredulity at the hatred and bias displayed by some commentators. FYI he is no felon...only one f....as he was never sentenced. The whole case was manufactured to stop him running. Also, the case has all but been thrown out...ever notice no charges stick to him?

Malcolm McManus Nov 26, 2024, 03:45 PM

I am optimistic the world has a chance. I agree. Just hope Biden Harris don't send us into world war 3 by some of their recent decisions with regards to Ukraines use of weapons. A lot can happen in a few months.

Murray Morrison Nov 26, 2024, 11:58 AM

Ain't that the truth. So much vitriol and denial if you dare equate aspects of their demigod and demidevil. The other major similarity of course being their lust for absolute power. When has fanaticism ever ended well?

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 03:56 PM

No similarities between them...and I have no demigods or demidevils...so dramatic. Why not take a look at the differences between them for once?

Arnold _ Nov 26, 2024, 10:51 AM

I am pretty much apolitical to US politics. Don't think Trump is a great character, but curious as to why people think the Clinton, Bush and Obama era was any better. Wars under them killed incalculable civilians in 9+ countries they attacked, dropping 300k plus bombs....where's the virtue?

Stu McCro Nov 26, 2024, 03:30 PM

I completely agree but this particular article isn't saying why the others should have been voted in. That should be covered in an article explaining why the US political system is broken.

Malcolm McManus Nov 26, 2024, 03:51 PM

And we wonder why Russia invaded Ukraine with US being instrumental in putting Ukraines current leadership in power, training and arming their military, and then motivating Nato to push further Eastwards. What Russia perceives as big a threat as US perceived the Cuban missile crisis.

John P Nov 26, 2024, 04:31 PM

The US put Zelensky in power? You really need to try some alternative reading. There is no excuse for Russia's invasion of a sovereign nation just as there was no excuse for the west's invasion of Iraq.

Malcolm McManus Nov 26, 2024, 07:41 PM

Iraq and numerous other wars would be the threat that Russia is afraid of. They want a barrier between themselves and potentially hostile forces.

andrew.farrer Nov 26, 2024, 04:47 PM

this is pure russian propaganda straight from rt - the same false talking points the maga morons make. Go read up the actual history about Ukraine.

Malcolm McManus Nov 26, 2024, 07:38 PM

Your hatred for Russia clouds your judgment. USA is a major aggressor. It's plain to see. But you have to avoid western propaganda to see it.

Arnold _ Nov 26, 2024, 10:53 AM

MK will disintegrate as soon as Zuma kicks the bucket. Else he will be a Biden like vegetable dragged around by his toadies pretending like the lights are still on. Either way MK will eat itself with in fighting

Malcolm McManus Nov 26, 2024, 03:54 PM

Or they will get a dancing AI robot manikin with a shower head on top of it and masquerade that around. Mumbling Umshini Wami.

Robvz Nov 26, 2024, 10:56 AM

Richard Poplak is the reason for a DM subscription.

franna63 Nov 26, 2024, 11:28 AM

...Poplak, just another leftist meltdown. Another 4 years of crying is going to get very boring.

Wolfgang Gruner Nov 26, 2024, 11:42 AM

So true. Jacob Trump and Donald Zuma are absolutely cut from the same cloth. In their transactional minds the grift is everything. Both (and Elon Musk too) would not be out of place in the dodgiest used car lot, convincing all who would listen, that their stock of rust-buckets was the best ever!

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 12:31 PM

Zuma and Trump the same? Let's look at tenure outcomes: Zuma: corruption, economic destruction, unemployment, depression Trump: world peace, economic prosperity, good employment despite covid, low crime and illegal aliens numbers fewer. That's why most of America wants him back!

Richard Kennard Nov 26, 2024, 03:23 PM

You've overlooked felon, misogyny, not accepting an election outcome, instilling political violence & compulsive lying....quite a few similarities there.

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 26, 2024, 04:02 PM

Your ignorance is amazing. He is only a convicted felon if sentenced which won't happen. Why has he appointed so many talented and strong women to his cabinet if he is a misogynist? The covid election with mail in votes was very suspect. He specifically asked his supporters to remain peaceful

Richard Kennard Nov 26, 2024, 05:19 PM

So quick to throw the insult. Funny how it took more than 2 hours for him to respond during the insurrection.

Rob Meyer Nov 26, 2024, 05:22 PM

Anyone equating Trump's felony charges with the crimes of Zuma is willfully ignorant or grossly dishonest. For the willfully ignorant, Trump's crime was marking a hush money payment of 130k made via his lawyer as legal expenses. Why the often trumpeted 34 felonies? It was paid in 34 installments.

Stu McCro Nov 26, 2024, 03:32 PM

World peace?? Economic property? You realise he didn't usher in world peace and economic situations are decades long in the process. But thank you for showing why Trump was voted in.

Bob The Builder Nov 26, 2024, 12:01 PM

Comparing Zuma to trump is unfair - Like him or not, Trump has factually built considerable positive outcomes in business and in politics, one cannot always believe the woke propaganda against him. Zuma is a totally different context well documented detrimental ones.

Rob Meyer Nov 26, 2024, 12:08 PM

Poplak clearly engaging in click bait tactics here. Cut the phrase ' like Trump' and all you have left is an article describing what a heinous figure Zuma is. Yes, we know... DM do better please.

harnick9 Nov 26, 2024, 12:24 PM

As bad as Zuma and his cronies are, liberalism is dead. South Africa, and the rest of the world, desperately needs to have real democracy in the form of socialism.

Harold Porter Nov 26, 2024, 12:27 PM

1. While Zuma and Trump have many populist features in common, Mr Poplak would do well to include a couple of facts in Trump's favour (or at least in favour of his voters)...(continued below)

Harold Porter Nov 27, 2024, 06:32 AM

2. Under Trump: A: the Real Median Household Income in the US rose by 20% B: the real wealth of the poorest 10% rose for the first time in 50 years C: IRS revenue collection hit record highs (despite, or perhaps, because of tax cuts) …continued below

Harold Porter Nov 27, 2024, 06:32 AM

3. D: Putin didn’t invade Ukraine and a regional war didn’t kick off in the middle east E: Roe v Wade was overturned (to which one may object, but it represents a big kept promise to Trump’s voters) F: Illegal immigration slowed considerably (see addendum to point E above) …continued below

Harold Porter Nov 27, 2024, 06:32 AM

4. While one may object to Trump, it is fair to say that he improved the lives of his voting base, and fulfilled some of his key promises to them…could one say the same of Zuma’s tenure? I don’t think so.

Harold Porter Nov 26, 2024, 12:29 PM

2. Under Trump: A: the Real Median Household Income in the US rose by 20% B: the real wealth of the poorest 10% rose for the first time in 50 years C: IRS revenue collection hit record highs (despite, or perhaps, because of tax cuts) ...continued below

Harold Porter Nov 26, 2024, 12:34 PM

3. D: Putin didn't invade Ukraine and a regional war didn't kick off in the middle east E: Roe v Wade was overturned (to which one may object, but it represents a big kept promise to Trump's voters) F: Illegal immigration slowed considerably (see addendum to point E above) ...continued below

Harold Porter Nov 26, 2024, 12:35 PM

4. While one may object to Trump, it is fair to say that he improved the lives of his voting base, and fulfilled some of his key promises to them...could one say the same of Zuma's tenure? I don't think so.

Malcolm McManus Nov 26, 2024, 02:05 PM

Certainly similarities between these two. But the dis Similarities between Trump and Zuma are far more striking. Rob Hersov on Biz news had good comments on Trump and the future of the US and his views were quite accurate and to the point. Also Sums up the difference between left and right mindset.

John Kuhl Nov 26, 2024, 02:28 PM

Seeing you so liberally using the f word......I think you are fucking out of line comparing these 2 personalities

gpeac Nov 26, 2024, 02:47 PM

Another angry liberal with TDS. Gaetz, investigated by the DOJ since 2021, has never been indicted. The Ethics Committee’s investigation began in 2021, (still incomplete). And has acknowledge that “an investigation into the allegations do not itself indicate that any violation has occurred”

graemebirddurban Nov 26, 2024, 03:34 PM

Another insightful piece thanks Poplak. But you missed the shared trait that stands out the most for me. Their shared love of squeamish dance moves to rile up the masses!

Wolfgang Gruner Nov 27, 2024, 12:13 PM

Indeed. But they seem to be on to something. The masses love the clownish cringe moves and speeches. Disarms the crowds, who then adore the "down to earth, real" person.

Johan Buys Nov 26, 2024, 08:56 PM

Nations deserve the leaders they elect. At a point a few years ago (2015), us and US competed with Russia, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela and Iran for who had the worst leader. May be missing a few other exemplars.