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Renaldo Gouws ‘hate speech’ row — SAHRC seeks apology, community service, R100,000 fine for ex-MP

The South African Human Rights Commission is seeking an order declaring that a video made by former DA MP Renaldo Gouws, 14 years ago, constitutes hate speech. and that he should publish an apology to all South Africans on all his social media channels.
Renaldo Gouws ‘hate speech’ row — SAHRC seeks apology, community service, R100,000 fine for ex-MP The South African Human Rights Commission has thrown the book at former DA MP Renaldo Gouws over a video that it claims constitutes hate speech, asking that he be ordered to apologise, be fined R100,000, undergo diversity training and be given 20 hours’ community service.  But Gouws has persisted in court papers that what he said was taken out of context, and that he never had the intention to call for the killing of black people or be hurtful or harmful or to incite harm or propagate hatred.  In September, the DA’s highest decision-making body, the Federal Executive, unanimously decided to terminate Gouws’s membership, ending his brief three-month career as a parliamentarian.  The decision follows a comprehensive investigation by the party’s Federal Legal Commission.   In the video that is the subject of the Equality Court complaint, Gouws is heard saying: “Alright, so there’s a couple of things I want to say. Kill the f**ing k*ffirs, kill all the f*ing n*ggers. That’s all I gotta f*ing say. Kill all the k*ffirs! Kill all the f*ing n*ggers!” But in papers filed before the Gqeberha Equality Court he said it was “patently false” that he called for the killing of black people in the video, which had surfaced on social media shortly after he was sworn in. He said the video was only a snippet and by itself conveyed a “completely wrong impression” of what he intended. Online news website IOL was also sanctioned by the Press Council for not showing the full video. “I had no intention to be hurtful or harmful to incite harm or propagate hatred,” Gouws said in his affidavit before the court. “In fact I specifically state in the video that I did not mean anything that I had said but I wanted to evoke a response.”  He said he was willing to testify before the Equality Court if necessary.  “It is patently false that I called for the killing of black people,” he said.  In September, his DA membership was terminated for bringing the party into disrepute based on the content of the video.  In court papers Gouws argued that he used the words as a “justifiable rhetoric device to emphasise his view”. His legal team initially argued that there had been an undue delay in bringing a case against him, but this was abandoned on Thursday (21 November). Acting Judge Olaf Ronaasen postponed the matter for trial until May 2025. An exact date is yet to be determined.  The Eastern Cape manager of the SAHRC, Dr Eileen Carter, said in her affidavit setting out the grounds for the complaint that it “concerns conduct that constitutes hate speech and/or harassment” as contemplated in the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act. She described the content of the video as “egregiously racist remarks”. [caption id="attachment_2472826" align="alignnone" width="1800"]Renaldo Gouws The Eastern Cape manager for the Human Rights Commission, Dr Eileen Carter, and the commission’s equality commissioner, Professor Tshepo Madlingozi, meet their legal team led by advocate Ben Winks at the Equality Court on 21 November 2024. (Photo: Deon Ferreira)[/caption] According to court papers the commission is seeking an order declaring Gouws’s video to be hate speech and harassment on the basis of race. The commission has also asked the court to find that the cause of action [hate speech] arises when the harmful content is accessed, read and the harm is felt.  Carter said in her affidavit that the commission believes a prima facie case exists that the video constituted hate speech.  She continued that the SAHRC acknowledged that the video was first published more than a decade ago. However, the accessibility of online content made its impact continuous and pervasive. “The offending statements have remained accessible online, allowing for ongoing harm each time they are accessed and viewed,” she said. She added that it was also important for the court to address the matter. She said the k-word and the n-word used by Gouws had no “neutral meaning” and the commission did not admit that he used it as a justifiable rhetorical expression. He had “enhanced” the violence by using the adjective “fucking”. Gouws, Carter said, had been unremorseful and “arrogantly” defended his statements on X.  Read more: Axed DA MP Renaldo Gouws to explore legal, ethical challenge to membership termination The commission’s equality commissioner, Professor Tshepo Madlingozi, who also attended Thursday’s hearing, said that 30 years into South Africa’s democracy there was no place for language such as that used by Gouws. “We will go after anyone who does this,” he said, adding that they had filed similar complaints against alleged Ponzi scheme fraudster Louis Liebenberg and an EFF councillor.  Gouws attended the hearing, but said he was not allowed to comment because the matter was sub judice. DM

The South African Human Rights Commission has thrown the book at former DA MP Renaldo Gouws over a video that it claims constitutes hate speech, asking that he be ordered to apologise, be fined R100,000, undergo diversity training and be given 20 hours’ community service. 

But Gouws has persisted in court papers that what he said was taken out of context, and that he never had the intention to call for the killing of black people or be hurtful or harmful or to incite harm or propagate hatred. 

In September, the DA’s highest decision-making body, the Federal Executive, unanimously decided to terminate Gouws’s membership, ending his brief three-month career as a parliamentarian. 

The decision follows a comprehensive investigation by the party’s Federal Legal Commission.  

In the video that is the subject of the Equality Court complaint, Gouws is heard saying: “Alright, so there’s a couple of things I want to say. Kill the f**ing k*ffirs, kill all the f*ing n*ggers. That’s all I gotta f*ing say. Kill all the k*ffirs! Kill all the f*ing n*ggers!”

But in papers filed before the Gqeberha Equality Court he said it was “patently false” that he called for the killing of black people in the video, which had surfaced on social media shortly after he was sworn in.

He said the video was only a snippet and by itself conveyed a “completely wrong impression” of what he intended. Online news website IOL was also sanctioned by the Press Council for not showing the full video.

“I had no intention to be hurtful or harmful to incite harm or propagate hatred,” Gouws said in his affidavit before the court. “In fact I specifically state in the video that I did not mean anything that I had said but I wanted to evoke a response.” 

He said he was willing to testify before the Equality Court if necessary. 

“It is patently false that I called for the killing of black people,” he said. 

In September, his DA membership was terminated for bringing the party into disrepute based on the content of the video. 

In court papers Gouws argued that he used the words as a “justifiable rhetoric device to emphasise his view”.

His legal team initially argued that there had been an undue delay in bringing a case against him, but this was abandoned on Thursday (21 November).

Acting Judge Olaf Ronaasen postponed the matter for trial until May 2025. An exact date is yet to be determined. 

The Eastern Cape manager of the SAHRC, Dr Eileen Carter, said in her affidavit setting out the grounds for the complaint that it “concerns conduct that constitutes hate speech and/or harassment” as contemplated in the Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act. She described the content of the video as “egregiously racist remarks”.

Renaldo Gouws The Eastern Cape manager for the Human Rights Commission, Dr Eileen Carter, and the commission’s equality commissioner, Professor Tshepo Madlingozi, meet their legal team led by advocate Ben Winks at the Equality Court on 21 November 2024. (Photo: Deon Ferreira)



According to court papers the commission is seeking an order declaring Gouws’s video to be hate speech and harassment on the basis of race.

The commission has also asked the court to find that the cause of action [hate speech] arises when the harmful content is accessed, read and the harm is felt. 

Carter said in her affidavit that the commission believes a prima facie case exists that the video constituted hate speech. 

She continued that the SAHRC acknowledged that the video was first published more than a decade ago. However, the accessibility of online content made its impact continuous and pervasive.

“The offending statements have remained accessible online, allowing for ongoing harm each time they are accessed and viewed,” she said.

She added that it was also important for the court to address the matter. She said the k-word and the n-word used by Gouws had no “neutral meaning” and the commission did not admit that he used it as a justifiable rhetorical expression. He had “enhanced” the violence by using the adjective “fucking”.

Gouws, Carter said, had been unremorseful and “arrogantly” defended his statements on X. 

Read more: Axed DA MP Renaldo Gouws to explore legal, ethical challenge to membership termination

The commission’s equality commissioner, Professor Tshepo Madlingozi, who also attended Thursday’s hearing, said that 30 years into South Africa’s democracy there was no place for language such as that used by Gouws. “We will go after anyone who does this,” he said, adding that they had filed similar complaints against alleged Ponzi scheme fraudster Louis Liebenberg and an EFF councillor. 

Gouws attended the hearing, but said he was not allowed to comment because the matter was sub judice. DM

Comments

Pieter van de Venter Nov 21, 2024, 01:59 PM

But your organisation does nothing against Malema for saying basically the same - or am I mad??

A P Nov 21, 2024, 02:37 PM

I think you’re mixed up; this is the Daily Maverick, not the Democratic Alliance newsletter. 
 It’s D…M, not D…A. I know, honest mistake. Don’t feel bad, though; it happens to a surprising number of people here.

megapode Nov 21, 2024, 03:46 PM

Malema was told to stop it and as far as I know he and the EFF have. They sail very close to the wording of the order against him, but they don't go past the limit that order imposes.

Middle aged Mike Nov 21, 2024, 06:11 PM

He hasn't stopped and as recently as August last year said that he wont on a TV interview.

mbmajo Nov 21, 2024, 03:59 PM

Malema chants "kill the boer", he chants "kill the K*ffers." Boer is not and offensive word and can be used to refer to afrikaneers, K*ffer is VERY offensive and if you claim both statements are similar you part of the problem.

andij8537 Nov 21, 2024, 04:44 PM

I think Gouws will be happy to pay the fines if Malema is found guilty and sanctioned in the same way

xxnadu xxnadu Nov 21, 2024, 05:08 PM

On its own " boer " is not offensive but the way that its been used is.

Jennifer D Nov 21, 2024, 05:37 PM

Surely it’s about calling on people to kill a particular race?

Middle aged Mike Nov 21, 2024, 06:16 PM

"Kill the" can cause offense when it's followed by the term that identifies your ethnic group or racial. When the SAHRC decided that publicly singing about killing a group was OK as long as you didn't use a racial pejorative to identify the group I think they missed a trick and so have you

laurantsystems Nov 21, 2024, 06:24 PM

So what you're laughably absurd little comment is saying, is that it's OK to call for the death of the Boer ethnic group, eh? Maybe you must phone a friend first, next time.

regalh Nov 22, 2024, 11:51 AM

Why is "Boer" not offensive? It denotes Afrikaans people as dumb Dutchman dressed in vellies and worn clothing. A derogatory name is a derogatory name, even if you don't see it that way.

Philip Machanick Nov 21, 2024, 02:11 PM

That’s a harder bullet to dodge than the stuff EFF says.

Fernando Moreira Nov 21, 2024, 02:21 PM

Pay Up ,buddy !!

BillyBumhe Nov 21, 2024, 02:27 PM

The SAHRC is a hopelessly biased waste of time and space. Serious crimen injuria or hate speech should be prosecuted in the proper courts, not this kangaroo court.

regalh Nov 22, 2024, 11:53 AM

Yes, based on their own admission that "black" people are not subject to the same standards and scrutiny as "white" people, any comment or decision they make is inherently racist.

andrew.farrer Nov 21, 2024, 02:41 PM

OK, give us a link to the full video, so we can see the context! If in the video he's saying that "if the sahrc allows kill the boer then surely, kill the f..ng k...rs ... should also be ok?" Just saying out of context anything can be made to look racist especially by the sahrc #pretoriagirls

laurantsystems Nov 21, 2024, 06:25 PM

The HRC should urgency buy a large tent. They're already a bunch of regressive, cadre-creeping clowns, so they may as well charge admission to their brain-dead circus.

Graeme Nov 21, 2024, 02:58 PM

Let's see the entire video instead of quoting the drivel issued by one of Iqbal Surve's publications.

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Nov 21, 2024, 03:05 PM

What has caused him to be so angry and has this been interrogated by the court? | If our country is truly keen to move forward, candid interrogation and answering of "the why" questioning should be fundamental to every "hate" case.

megapode Nov 21, 2024, 03:50 PM

He was stupid to make that comment in the first place, but made it long before he got involved in politics. I don't like him & wouldn't vote for him, but given that he has publicly apologised at least twice (under no pressure from the DA) I think this should be left in the past now.

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Nov 21, 2024, 05:10 PM

My comment has nothing to do with "him" but rather with an approach to honestly understanding and then addressing the root causes of hatred. It does not happen in a vacuum. Punishment does not in itself stop hatred, it just festers further.

Lucius Casca Nov 22, 2024, 12:09 AM

I watched that video and it was truly done to elicit a response... Poor idea and badly executed but that the was the intent, after he said all those things he basically drew a parallel to what Malema said and the double standard

Noelsoyizwap Nov 22, 2024, 06:44 AM

So, according to yo, that makes it right

Noelsoyizwap Nov 21, 2024, 07:57 PM

A lot of acknowledgement is necessary, by everyone, of the effects of our past. We must never underestimate the effects of our racially-based past. We are all prejudiced by our prejudices. We need to heal. You can't be expected to look at each individuals cause of grief.

Beezy Bailey Nov 21, 2024, 09:28 PM

True words Noel . In our brutalized society we need to heal ??️

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Nov 22, 2024, 08:20 AM

Our society is simply too scared to introspect honestly. This applies to all shades. It is easiest for us all to live dishonest narratives ...but it is so destructive. The truth hurts, but until it is aired honestly and assimilated honestly there can be no healing.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 22, 2024, 01:16 PM

100% with you. At the core of our problem is that we look up to politicians for solutions. Forgetting that these are the people who wants our votes for their employment. All round. Our continued divisions give them leverage. For me, civil society movements would be the best route out of the mess.

Gazeley Walker Nov 21, 2024, 03:18 PM

SAHRC Modus operandi: if it's white - prosecute. If it's black or ANC - acceptable. The chairman allegedly is drunk in meetings, senior black SAHRC executive maligns Indians in Phoenix. No action. SAHRC does not represent all South African citizens equally. Racial bias exists within the SAHRC.

megapode Nov 21, 2024, 03:45 PM

I don't care for Gouws. But he said this many years ago when he was much younger, has issued public apologies for it, hosted a black female member of the EFF on his youtube channel and said she was one of the few members of council he would call a friend. Let this one lie.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 21, 2024, 05:32 PM

I like what SAHRC is praying for in this case. They seek an order that, among other things, compels Mr Grouws "that he publish an apology to ALL South Africans". In my low IQ inspired mind, I sincerely believe our road to prosperity starts once we acknowledge the severity of racism to all of us

Middle aged Mike Nov 21, 2024, 05:38 PM

If you are going to try and police hurty words you need to have absolute integrity and consistency in doing so otherwise you just look partial. The SAHRC has failed in that more than once and as such I don't trust them to do this differently.

raj53 Nov 21, 2024, 06:05 PM

SAHRC must exercise itself equally against all violators. It seems some targets are debased and others are allowed to get away with incitement to loot because they are politically protected. One cannot recognize an authority if it’s application is neptonistic. This is how dynasties begin to fall.

Lucifer's Consiglieri Nov 21, 2024, 06:10 PM

I really have no time for this guy, but at the same time SAHRC has no credibility.

Mike Pragmatist Nov 21, 2024, 08:01 PM

The SAHRC is a biased nothing "commission" ... funded by whom? ... and should be disbanded. Then their desire for prosecution is based on a tiny clip lacking context that is 14 years old? Give us a break.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 21, 2024, 09:19 PM

Just grow up, we have a country to salvage. Wrong doesn't right wrong

Thomas Cleghorn Nov 21, 2024, 09:32 PM

Same SAHRC as PHGS & the Zuma report. I guess Gouws got the reaction he was after, just 13 yrs too late. Its not been a good few months for him. I hope he makes it through O.K.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 22, 2024, 01:43 PM

Racial division is the bad legacy of our forefathers, that we cannot escape. It will be like running away from who we are. But they marked a country with their blood, for us all. All that we must do, is to make right what they did wrong. Live together in harmony, make success of their country