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What Trump’s victory means for you, the world and SA — seven takes from Daily Maverick writers

Donald Trump’s shocking reelection will have severe consequences for the global political order and economy. What will it mean and how will it affect South Africa? Daily Maverick writers share their views.
What Trump’s victory means for you, the world and SA — seven takes from Daily Maverick writers A warning for South Africans Rebecca Davis “I’m so tired of you, America.” That line from Rufus Wainwright’s Going To a Town played on a loop in my head as I switched off Donald Trump’s typically rambling victory speech and threw the TV remote on the table. I had been expecting the result: if you took even two steps out of the liberal ecosystems on the social media platforms it was all there to see. Torrents of unabashed Trump support, from Americans of all races and cultures, parroting the same distorted talking points, like an echoey carnival hall of mirrors. The economy was better under Trump. Groceries and gas were cheaper under Trump. Foreigners respected borders more under Trump. But it chills me to my core nonetheless, because there is absolutely no room for complacency as South Africans. Something eerily similar is happening right here, under our noses. A former president has launched a political comeback with precisely the same contours as Trump’s. Day in, day out, MK party MPs are telling the country in Parliament how much better things were under the presidency of Jacob Zuma. They are lying, of course; we are only just taking our first shaky steps out from the ruinous legacy of the Zuma years, which utterly derailed our economic and social progress. But 2.3 million South Africans stood in a voting booth in May and chose Zuma again, just as more than 70 million Americans have now opted for a Trump do-over. Could it happen here? Of course it could. Today is not a day for schadenfreude. [caption id="attachment_71376" align="alignnone" width="1412"] Donald Trump (left) and Jacob Zuma.[/caption]

Much to be grateful for — in South Africa

Ferial Haffajee

I come from a part of Johannesburg where there are communities from more than 40 different countries: Somalia, Malawi, Ethiopia, Lebanon, Egypt and Palestine, to name a few. It’s a melting pot and there is a sense of community — imperfect and not without grumbles, but community nonetheless. Xenophobes get what-for from an activist civil society and the courts in South Africa. None of the parties with an overtly anti-immigration stance won great gains in the 2024 election. Women, peoples’ and reproductive rights are enshrined in our Constitution and outside of the ACDP, no political party has sought to imperil the right to bodily autonomy. The right to gendered equality is enshrined in the apex law and while it is still an aspiration, we would not allow any politician to turn this right and aspiration into a punching bag as happened so breathtakingly in the crude and cruel US election campaign. Dignity is another constitutional cornerstone here that is constantly being defined and shaped by our Constitutional Court which is independent, non-partisan and jealously so. Dignity was set alight so many times by Trump that I’ve lost horrified count. Our system of social solidarity is the largest in the developing world and something we can be (more) proud of. Our president is a feminist with a feminist wife. (Don’t believe me? Look at his speeches on women.) Cyril Ramaphosa is described in ways that are often not flattering (because we’re free), but I’ve never heard close aides call him “fascist” as have several of Trump’s past officials in the past month. Turning the gaze home from the seismic outcome of the US election, I see so much to build on here and so much to be grateful for. [caption id="attachment_2285575" align="alignnone" width="2560"]President Cyril Ramaphosa President Cyril Ramaphosa delivers the Opening of Parliament Address for the Seventh Administration at Cape Town City Hall on 18 July 2024 in Cape Town, South Africa. (Photo: Gallo Images / Jeffrey Abrahams)[/caption]

If there is one thing people are, it’s consistent 

Zukiswa Pikoli

I can think of nothing worse than being a black woman in the US right now. What a lonely and scary place to be with Trump gleefully at the helm, teeth bared and ready to “Make America Healthy Again” (a slogan attributed to Robert F Kennedy Jr) while claiming a Machiavellian victory that he says will take the US on a path of “healing” — whatever that means. The contested terrain of women’s bodies marks an alarming return to conservatism rooted in the destructive ideology of patriarchy and capitalism that sees women merely as possessions to be bent to men’s will as a form of societal control and ordering. This is not to say that while Kamala Harris may appear to be the better devil, her politics are beyond reproach. Her stance on Israel is also a scary prospect for someone on the political margins. Anyway, an electorate gets the president they vote for, right? For progressive black women in the US, choosing one of the two presidential candidates must have been suffocatingly difficult. What this election has shown us is that when in doubt, Americans go to ground and revert to the good old American principles of protectionism and nationalism. Everyone else who finds themselves outside of that, well, sorry for you! [caption id="attachment_2450301" align="alignnone" width="2560"] Emily Kassner-Marks watches results come in during an election night watch party for Democratic presidential nominee, U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris at Howard University on November 05, 2024 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Brandon Bell/Getty Images)[/caption]

Time to build global solidarity to reduce insecurity for everyone

Richard Poplak

So anyway, that happened. Again. We must now admit the obvious: an order has finally fallen. There’s no point pretending any longer — post-Second World War American liberalism has shat the bed. A quick tally of the mass murders to date? Sure, why not? Vietnam, Indonesia, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Angola, Israel, the list never ends. (As the academic Samuel Moyn put it, “Cold War liberalism was a catastrophe — for liberalism.”) When the mass killing stopped, the borders came down — not for people, but for capital. It’s passe to bang on about neoliberalism, but I think (hope?) it should be clear that the version of globalisation promoted by liberals in both the Republican and Democratic parties gutted out America’s centre too brutally and too rapidly. As a result, liberalism’s fundamental notion of egalitarianism was forsaken, while an emphasis on equity — code for moving the deck chairs around the Titanic of elite media/academic/corporate institutions — functioned as a fig leaf for social stagnation. The rich got richer. And then richer. And then richer still. Everyone else got angry. Read more: AmeriKKKa on full electoral-historical display – what will die first and most painfully is the ‘idea’ of America It’s embarrassing to think anyone could have fallen for American liberalism’s manifold lies. Progressives who did cry foul were shouted down and assured that the stalwart realpolitik of the Nixon/Ford/Kissinger/Reagan/Bushes era would prevail. We were told to grow the fuck up, and indeed we did. Now it’s time for liberals to do the same. Their world has collapsed, in favour of a techbro oligarchy that is premised on puerile resistance to the Libs — which means saying the quiet part of America’s secret fascist incantations out loud. Very loud. Make no mistake, what comes next will be ugly. Few of the extant issues will be solved by doge coins, by white people breeding more, or by driving migrants into the sea. (Said migrants, it should be noted, who hail from the same countries that were destabilised by the US’s endless anti-narco, anti-commie campaigns over the past five decades.) But these are not the first days of American fascism — because American fascism has always existed. It just wasn’t evenly distributed. Instead, this is the first day of building global solidarity for what comes next — an order based on reducing insecurity for everyone, equally, without coddling timorous elites. It’s time for building coalitions based not on Nazi fetishism, but on something more lasting. You’ll notice I haven’t used the candidates’ names. That’s because they don’t matter. You do. [caption id="attachment_2450057" align="alignnone" width="1000"] US Democratic Party supporters react at a UK Democrats Abroad Election Watch party at a sports bar in London. (Photo: EPA-EFE/ANDY RAIN)[/caption]

Into the unknown, where anything could happen

Stephen Grootes

The re-election of Trump is a reminder of how important longer trends are in democratic politics. Food prices matter; when they go up the government of the day suffers. This was true for the ANC earlier this year and it was true for the French Revolution. In the US, which suffered very high inflation during Joe Biden’s term, this rule appears to have held yet again. It is still the economy, stupid. But what about the longer term? Demography is supposed to be destiny, which would mean that if Trump’s strength is that his supporters oppose the fact the US is no longer a white-majority country, this is just a blip. Eventually that demography should push the US to become fully diverse — except that there is evidence Trump won votes from Hispanic groups. As The Economist has suggested, this is part of a longer-term trend away from ethnic and racial identities to social and cultural identities. Meanwhile, it seems anything is now possible. It’s like the end of the Zuma era. In 2016 and 2017 it felt like anything could happen; he could be removed from office or become president for life. The same is true for the US. Trump could be president for a full term and really change the country’s direction fundamentally. Or he could impose his tariffs, plunge the world into another Great Depression and be turfed out as the US swings dramatically to the left. Anything feels possible. [caption id="attachment_2450279" align="alignnone" width="2560"] Onlookers watch as results of the 2024 US Presidential election are broadcast outside Rockefeller Center in New York, US, on Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2024. Donald Trump was elected the 47th president of the United States, pulling off a stunning political comeback in one of the most polarized contests for the White House in US history. (Photo: Mark Abramson/Bloomberg via Getty Images)[/caption]

Trump and SA business: The good fortune of being too small to care about

Tim Cohen

It’s an obvious question with an uncertain answer: what will a Trump victory mean for South African business? The most tempting answer is that it will mean very little. Trump’s interest and knowledge about not only South Africa but the continent as a whole is palpably minuscule; his focus has somewhat understandably been on the US’s up-and-coming rival China, followed to a certain extent by Europe, and then at a distance the Middle East and South America. Africa just doesn’t feature. The focus on China is responsible for one of Trump’s very rare, clear economic policy positions: support for higher tariffs, particularly against countries with a net trade surplus vs the US, of which China is by far the most egregious example. Trump hasn’t expressed himself during the campaign on the two most important concrete US policies that affect SA: the US President’s Emergency Plan for Aids Relief (Pepfar) which provides substantial financial support for health programmes, and the African Growth and Opportunity Act (Agoa). However, since both programmes were maintained during his previous term, they seem likely to continue, although support for Agoa, essentially a tariff-free grant to African countries, does grate against his broad mercantilism and his right-wing tilt. He might seek to renegotiate Agoa’s terms to focus on reciprocal trade benefits. Oddly, the US competition with China might help ensure these policies are maintained, out of a US concern that its position on the continent is threatened, which of course it is. In a broader sense, the conventional wisdom now is that a Trump presidency, and more importantly a Republican-dominated legislature, will result in a stronger US stock market, a stronger dollar, a weaker bond market, and higher inflation. In an indirect way, these will all have an effect on SA business. For importers in general, the news is bad; for exporters, the news is good. But all of these movements are yet to play out and could easily be influenced by other global events. US stock markets have responded positively to Trump’s victory, based perhaps on his pro-business credentials. However, historically, the US economy has grown at more or less the same pace whichever party is in power. For Trump’s opponents in business and society, that is something of a consolation prize to hold on to. [caption id="attachment_2450284" align="alignnone" width="2560"] Supporters react as Fox News projects Republican presidential nominee, former U.S. President Donald Trump is elected president during an election night event at the Palm Beach Convention Center. (Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)[/caption]

It’s bad news for SA’s economy

Ed Stoddard

The return of Trump to the White House is bad news for South Africa’s economy. Trump’s obsession with tariffs as a panacea for the US economy — which is not in bad shape overall — will be poisonous for trade and by extension the global economy. The roughly 13,000 jobs at risk if Agoa is torpedoed or South Africa is excluded from it are just the tip of the iceberg. Four years of chaos, uncertainty, stupidity and rising geopolitical tensions are a major if not existential global economic risk. In the first indication of the impact a second Trump term will have on South Africa’s economy, the rand tanked on Wednesday morning and bond yields spiked. Emerging market assets are often the first casualty of risk aversion among investors. This may help gold maintain its record price rally — it thrives on chaos — but the precious metal’s importance to the South African economy is a fraction of what it once was. Platinum group metals prices, which have been depressed, recently got a boost when the Biden administration asked its allies in the Group of Seven to mull imposing sanctions on Russian palladium exports. A Trump administration may not follow through on that. One silver lining for the South African economy could be falling oil prices as Trump is going to open the floodgates on US oil production. DM

A warning for South Africans

Rebecca Davis

“I’m so tired of you, America.”

That line from Rufus Wainwright’s Going To a Town played on a loop in my head as I switched off Donald Trump’s typically rambling victory speech and threw the TV remote on the table.

I had been expecting the result: if you took even two steps out of the liberal ecosystems on the social media platforms it was all there to see. Torrents of unabashed Trump support, from Americans of all races and cultures, parroting the same distorted talking points, like an echoey carnival hall of mirrors. The economy was better under Trump. Groceries and gas were cheaper under Trump. Foreigners respected borders more under Trump.

But it chills me to my core nonetheless, because there is absolutely no room for complacency as South Africans. Something eerily similar is happening right here, under our noses. A former president has launched a political comeback with precisely the same contours as Trump’s.

Day in, day out, MK party MPs are telling the country in Parliament how much better things were under the presidency of Jacob Zuma. They are lying, of course; we are only just taking our first shaky steps out from the ruinous legacy of the Zuma years, which utterly derailed our economic and social progress. But 2.3 million South Africans stood in a voting booth in May and chose Zuma again, just as more than 70 million Americans have now opted for a Trump do-over.

Could it happen here? Of course it could. Today is not a day for schadenfreude.

Donald Trump (left) and Jacob Zuma.


Much to be grateful for — in South Africa


Ferial Haffajee


I come from a part of Johannesburg where there are communities from more than 40 different countries: Somalia, Malawi, Ethiopia, Lebanon, Egypt and Palestine, to name a few. It’s a melting pot and there is a sense of community — imperfect and not without grumbles, but community nonetheless.

Xenophobes get what-for from an activist civil society and the courts in South Africa. None of the parties with an overtly anti-immigration stance won great gains in the 2024 election.

Women, peoples’ and reproductive rights are enshrined in our Constitution and outside of the ACDP, no political party has sought to imperil the right to bodily autonomy. The right to gendered equality is enshrined in the apex law and while it is still an aspiration, we would not allow any politician to turn this right and aspiration into a punching bag as happened so breathtakingly in the crude and cruel US election campaign.

Dignity is another constitutional cornerstone here that is constantly being defined and shaped by our Constitutional Court which is independent, non-partisan and jealously so. Dignity was set alight so many times by Trump that I’ve lost horrified count.

Our system of social solidarity is the largest in the developing world and something we can be (more) proud of.

Our president is a feminist with a feminist wife. (Don’t believe me? Look at his speeches on women.) Cyril Ramaphosa is described in ways that are often not flattering (because we’re free), but I’ve never heard close aides call him “fascist” as have several of Trump’s past officials in the past month.

Turning the gaze home from the seismic outcome of the US election, I see so much to build on here and so much to be grateful for.

President Cyril Ramaphosa President Cyril Ramaphosa delivers the Opening of Parliament Address for the Seventh Administration at Cape Town City Hall on 18 July 2024 in Cape Town, South Africa. (Photo: Gallo Images / Jeffrey Abrahams)


If there is one thing people are, it’s consistent 


Zukiswa Pikoli


I can think of nothing worse than being a black woman in the US right now. What a lonely and scary place to be with Trump gleefully at the helm, teeth bared and ready to “Make America Healthy Again” (a slogan attributed to Robert F Kennedy Jr) while claiming a Machiavellian victory that he says will take the US on a path of “healing” — whatever that means.

The contested terrain of women’s bodies marks an alarming return to conservatism rooted in the destructive ideology of patriarchy and capitalism that sees women merely as possessions to be bent to men’s will as a form of societal control and ordering.

This is not to say that while Kamala Harris may appear to be the better devil, her politics are beyond reproach. Her stance on Israel is also a scary prospect for someone on the political margins.

Anyway, an electorate gets the president they vote for, right? For progressive black women in the US, choosing one of the two presidential candidates must have been suffocatingly difficult.

What this election has shown us is that when in doubt, Americans go to ground and revert to the good old American principles of protectionism and nationalism. Everyone else who finds themselves outside of that, well, sorry for you!

Emily Kassner-Marks watches results come in during an election night watch party for Democratic presidential nominee, U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris at Howard University on November 05, 2024 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Brandon Bell/Getty Images)


Time to build global solidarity to reduce insecurity for everyone


Richard Poplak


So anyway, that happened. Again.

We must now admit the obvious: an order has finally fallen. There’s no point pretending any longer — post-Second World War American liberalism has shat the bed. A quick tally of the mass murders to date? Sure, why not? Vietnam, Indonesia, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Angola, Israel, the list never ends. (As the academic Samuel Moyn put it, “Cold War liberalism was a catastrophe — for liberalism.”)

When the mass killing stopped, the borders came down — not for people, but for capital. It’s passe to bang on about neoliberalism, but I think (hope?) it should be clear that the version of globalisation promoted by liberals in both the Republican and Democratic parties gutted out America’s centre too brutally and too rapidly.

As a result, liberalism’s fundamental notion of egalitarianism was forsaken, while an emphasis on equity — code for moving the deck chairs around the Titanic of elite media/academic/corporate institutions — functioned as a fig leaf for social stagnation. The rich got richer. And then richer. And then richer still. Everyone else got angry.

Read more: AmeriKKKa on full electoral-historical display – what will die first and most painfully is the ‘idea’ of America

It’s embarrassing to think anyone could have fallen for American liberalism’s manifold lies. Progressives who did cry foul were shouted down and assured that the stalwart realpolitik of the Nixon/Ford/Kissinger/Reagan/Bushes era would prevail. We were told to grow the fuck up, and indeed we did.

Now it’s time for liberals to do the same. Their world has collapsed, in favour of a techbro oligarchy that is premised on puerile resistance to the Libs — which means saying the quiet part of America’s secret fascist incantations out loud. Very loud.

Make no mistake, what comes next will be ugly. Few of the extant issues will be solved by doge coins, by white people breeding more, or by driving migrants into the sea. (Said migrants, it should be noted, who hail from the same countries that were destabilised by the US’s endless anti-narco, anti-commie campaigns over the past five decades.)

But these are not the first days of American fascism — because American fascism has always existed. It just wasn’t evenly distributed. Instead, this is the first day of building global solidarity for what comes next — an order based on reducing insecurity for everyone, equally, without coddling timorous elites. It’s time for building coalitions based not on Nazi fetishism, but on something more lasting.

You’ll notice I haven’t used the candidates’ names. That’s because they don’t matter.

You do.

US Democratic Party supporters react at a UK Democrats Abroad Election Watch party at a sports bar in London. (Photo: EPA-EFE/ANDY RAIN)


Into the unknown, where anything could happen


Stephen Grootes


The re-election of Trump is a reminder of how important longer trends are in democratic politics. Food prices matter; when they go up the government of the day suffers. This was true for the ANC earlier this year and it was true for the French Revolution.

In the US, which suffered very high inflation during Joe Biden’s term, this rule appears to have held yet again. It is still the economy, stupid.

But what about the longer term?

Demography is supposed to be destiny, which would mean that if Trump’s strength is that his supporters oppose the fact the US is no longer a white-majority country, this is just a blip.

Eventually that demography should push the US to become fully diverse — except that there is evidence Trump won votes from Hispanic groups. As The Economist has suggested, this is part of a longer-term trend away from ethnic and racial identities to social and cultural identities.

Meanwhile, it seems anything is now possible.

It’s like the end of the Zuma era. In 2016 and 2017 it felt like anything could happen; he could be removed from office or become president for life. The same is true for the US.

Trump could be president for a full term and really change the country’s direction fundamentally. Or he could impose his tariffs, plunge the world into another Great Depression and be turfed out as the US swings dramatically to the left.

Anything feels possible.

Onlookers watch as results of the 2024 US Presidential election are broadcast outside Rockefeller Center in New York, US, on Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2024. Donald Trump was elected the 47th president of the United States, pulling off a stunning political comeback in one of the most polarized contests for the White House in US history. (Photo: Mark Abramson/Bloomberg via Getty Images)


Trump and SA business: The good fortune of being too small to care about


Tim Cohen


It’s an obvious question with an uncertain answer: what will a Trump victory mean for South African business?

The most tempting answer is that it will mean very little. Trump’s interest and knowledge about not only South Africa but the continent as a whole is palpably minuscule; his focus has somewhat understandably been on the US’s up-and-coming rival China, followed to a certain extent by Europe, and then at a distance the Middle East and South America. Africa just doesn’t feature.

The focus on China is responsible for one of Trump’s very rare, clear economic policy positions: support for higher tariffs, particularly against countries with a net trade surplus vs the US, of which China is by far the most egregious example.

Trump hasn’t expressed himself during the campaign on the two most important concrete US policies that affect SA: the US President’s Emergency Plan for Aids Relief (Pepfar) which provides substantial financial support for health programmes, and the African Growth and Opportunity Act (Agoa).

However, since both programmes were maintained during his previous term, they seem likely to continue, although support for Agoa, essentially a tariff-free grant to African countries, does grate against his broad mercantilism and his right-wing tilt. He might seek to renegotiate Agoa’s terms to focus on reciprocal trade benefits.

Oddly, the US competition with China might help ensure these policies are maintained, out of a US concern that its position on the continent is threatened, which of course it is.

In a broader sense, the conventional wisdom now is that a Trump presidency, and more importantly a Republican-dominated legislature, will result in a stronger US stock market, a stronger dollar, a weaker bond market, and higher inflation. In an indirect way, these will all have an effect on SA business. For importers in general, the news is bad; for exporters, the news is good.

But all of these movements are yet to play out and could easily be influenced by other global events. US stock markets have responded positively to Trump’s victory, based perhaps on his pro-business credentials. However, historically, the US economy has grown at more or less the same pace whichever party is in power.

For Trump’s opponents in business and society, that is something of a consolation prize to hold on to.

Supporters react as Fox News projects Republican presidential nominee, former U.S. President Donald Trump is elected president during an election night event at the Palm Beach Convention Center. (Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)


It’s bad news for SA’s economy


Ed Stoddard


The return of Trump to the White House is bad news for South Africa’s economy. Trump’s obsession with tariffs as a panacea for the US economy — which is not in bad shape overall — will be poisonous for trade and by extension the global economy.

The roughly 13,000 jobs at risk if Agoa is torpedoed or South Africa is excluded from it are just the tip of the iceberg. Four years of chaos, uncertainty, stupidity and rising geopolitical tensions are a major if not existential global economic risk.

In the first indication of the impact a second Trump term will have on South Africa’s economy, the rand tanked on Wednesday morning and bond yields spiked. Emerging market assets are often the first casualty of risk aversion among investors. This may help gold maintain its record price rally — it thrives on chaos — but the precious metal’s importance to the South African economy is a fraction of what it once was.

Platinum group metals prices, which have been depressed, recently got a boost when the Biden administration asked its allies in the Group of Seven to mull imposing sanctions on Russian palladium exports. A Trump administration may not follow through on that. One silver lining for the South African economy could be falling oil prices as Trump is going to open the floodgates on US oil production. DM

Comments

iainEWOKrobinson Nov 7, 2024, 07:38 AM

Thanks for an authentic astute response to the moment Maverick. Interesting to read the rest decrying “wokeness”, each one without fail although each one failing entirely to define what that means. A hypersensitive dog-whistle crowd singing to themselves while referring to the rest as snowflake.

laurantsystems Nov 7, 2024, 08:20 AM

Typical straw man argument. It's very easy to define wokeness. Trump's fantastic campaign slogan did this with the very greatest of ease: "Harris is for 'they/them'. Trump is for you." There, in only a few words, your wokeness has both been define and made a total laughing stock.

Gazeley Walker Nov 7, 2024, 11:06 AM

Hail the American Zuma, oh sorry, Trump. Get confused, their similar ideologies and self serving actions. Look forward to your comments if Zuma ever gets re-elected here in SA.

greencarrots Nov 7, 2024, 08:25 AM

While the left parrot falsehoods about why Trump is so bad. Who's stepping up with the unbiased reporting? Surely there's a reason Trump won, or was it that Kamala just lost?

chrisvan Nov 7, 2024, 08:35 AM

I think that sportswomen injured by men pretending to be women might have a different take on things.

alastairmgf Nov 7, 2024, 10:19 AM

Does one need to constantly define “fascist” or “left wing” or “Nazi” everyone the word is used in an article. You know perfectly well what “woke” means and asking for it to be defined won’t make it go away. It is now part of common parlance.

Mike Pragmatist Nov 7, 2024, 11:56 AM

But the truly woke need AI to define it for them, which it is unable to do, since it was cancelled.

Mr. Fair Nov 7, 2024, 04:23 PM

5 replies, only 1 answer, which is “It that Trump is for you”. .. Weird, because I’ve been called “woke” on Israel/Palestine articles that have zero to do with Trump. Anyone got a real answer to Iain, and can define what "woke" means?

mi Nov 7, 2024, 07:59 AM

Seems that the liberal left media in SA are being forced to take a very bitter pill. That pill being that US politics is aligning with the general move back to conservative politics throughout Europe. It will be interesting to see how SA's lightweight policies regarding China and Russia fair.

Arnold O Managra Nov 7, 2024, 10:58 AM

> It will be interesting to see how SA’s lightweight policies regarding China and Russia fair. The verb you are looking for is "fare", but I agree with the sentiment. Sorry, grammar Naxi I am.

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:34 PM

Probably why the UK isn't part of Europe anymore.

ogilviesean04 Nov 7, 2024, 08:03 AM

What a load of left wing leftist bull. The Daily Mavericks so called reporters should go join CNN or MSNBC and whin and cry with them as there cackling, moron of a candidate got a severe beating!!!

Mr. Fair Nov 7, 2024, 10:27 AM

"left-wing" & "leftist" directly after each other is redundant. It's spelled "whine" and "their".

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:36 PM

Easy does it, you need opposing thumbs to use a keyboard properly.

Harold Porter Nov 7, 2024, 08:12 AM

"I can think of nothing worse than being a black woman in America today"...oh come on! Really?...I'm sure all the black women in Sudan would sell a kidney to get the chance to be a 'black woman in America today'.

chrisvan Nov 7, 2024, 08:30 AM

"...as I switched off Donald Trump’s typically rambling victory speech". Agreed. By now, with his second presidential victory speech, he should be more articulate. We can't have peeps throwing their TV remotes in frustration with his ramblingness, can we now?

Skinyela Nov 7, 2024, 08:34 AM

A very nice therapy session.

Richard Bryant Nov 7, 2024, 08:55 AM

The next 4 years in the USA, Republicans have control over Presidency, Senate likely House plus the Supreme Court. On top of that, Trump has a Constitutional authority that he cannot be charged for anything as President. And he is looking for revenge. Unfettered power is never a good thing.

jackjack12 Nov 7, 2024, 11:03 AM

Indeed a great time to be alive. Fingers crossed for a red house majority. 4 more years baby

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:40 PM

He won't last four years. If the Big Mac's don't get him, age and fatigue surely will, or possibly a VP who wants to asVance a little quicker will shuffle him off Mar a Largo. Doubt he'll get past the mid-terms, to be honest.

Abri Vermeulen Nov 7, 2024, 09:02 AM

I am disappointed about comments being mostly insults - I assume a DM supporter and/or insider supports free speech (key to accountability in free societies) and therefor would respect people's humanity and integrity above their opinion.

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:41 PM

Eish...

Arnold _ Nov 7, 2024, 09:06 AM

I enjoy Daily Maverick sometime especially when tey do good work in keeping our executive accountable and when they hound our corrupt officials. But to the editor, if you are ever concerned as to why your readership is dwindling then this article and the comments is going to be an important clue

Richard Kennard Nov 7, 2024, 11:20 AM

We can all agree that factual reporting is key. Having read DM since inception its always been evident that opinionators have carried a more liberal stand point. Am amazed how the pro Trump commentary faction has grown here since his first tenure. So many new names as well, are there any bots?

Johan Smit Nov 7, 2024, 02:55 PM

Comment of the day!

Mike Pragmatist Nov 7, 2024, 09:13 AM

Useful article in that it helps readers rank the writers in order of wokeness. Only 2 of the 7 appear to have given any thought as to economic impacts on SA, as they see it

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:43 PM

Only 2 of the 7 are economic journalists, if I'm not mistaken.

Mr. Fair Nov 7, 2024, 09:17 AM

At the time I'm posting this "woke" has appeared 16 times in 46 comments. Someone explain it, without just giving synonyms? I also see a pattern - the same pro-Trump people, are the same people constantly insulting our African-heritage government, the same pro-apartheid in Israel people

Muishond X Nov 7, 2024, 09:27 AM

They say MSNBC's "The View" had the highest viewership ever one day post election. It was so much fun to watch the gnawing and gnashing of teeth of Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar and the like....all these bitter and twisted individuals is why the Democrats lost by a landslide

jackjack12 Nov 7, 2024, 11:09 AM

Entertainment at its best to watch blue snowflakes melt.

tmashiloane Nov 7, 2024, 11:37 AM

Yep. I cant get enough of the funny reactions. Their fake outrage and tears make my day. Hahahaha.

Richard Kennard Nov 8, 2024, 09:29 AM

Why say fake? Take there was no voter fraud this time as in the previous occasion?

cora.stobie Nov 7, 2024, 09:44 AM

Fantastic piece, thank you, DM writers! Lovely perspectives in these trying times. As a queer trans woman this has been a terrifying outcome. I hugely appreciate the optimism of Ferial's and Richard's pieces.

Arnold O Managra Nov 7, 2024, 10:10 AM

As a queer trans man I suspect you are very much mistaken. Exactly what terrifies you?

Rae Earl Nov 7, 2024, 09:50 AM

The majority of commentators by DM readers today display aggression, intolerance of other viewpoints, and major undercurrents of dislike for fellow South Africans who don't agree with their viewpoints. An ugly trend. The US, starting in January will be bereft of good governance. Watch.

Mike Pragmatist Nov 7, 2024, 12:11 PM

Intolerance of other viewpoints, yet the previous supporters of tge cancel culture are abandoning them? Maybe we are seeing a small move towards reality. Yes, sometimes reality can be difficult, even hurtful, but it beats the alternative.

Loren Anthony Nov 7, 2024, 09:59 AM

All those celebrating Trump's victory must please vote for Zuma in the next election - same playbook, same indifference to social welfare, same narcissism, same nepotism, same insulating privilege. Cut from the exact same cloth. Go on, hypocrites, have your Trump in SA.

Mike Pragmatist Nov 7, 2024, 12:14 PM

Amazing how you just summarized ANC policy, yet tell people to rather vote for Zuma.

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:45 PM

Um, Zuma was the ANC for a decade and had carried his version of the ANC into MK.

Robert Pegg Nov 7, 2024, 10:03 AM

Anyone who has been to the USA and China will know that China is going forwards and the USA is going backwards. Tariffs increase costs, which will happen if Trump gets his way, then see how many Americans think he is a good President. We don't need America and America doesn't need us.

jackjack12 Nov 7, 2024, 11:14 AM

Believe going backwards happened under Bided. Trump had 4 years where non of that happened and a majority wanted 4 more years. Live with it.

Elizabeth Lightfoot Nov 7, 2024, 01:01 PM

Trump rode on the solid economic decisions made by the Obama administration. Economies change over a longer time span. Trumps economy was not great for many Americans as it emerged over his presidency. It was great for the super wealthy but not for folks in less advantaged neighborhoods.

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:49 PM

Trump won't implement his lunatic tariffs because even his advisors will tell him it's political suicide. What he will do is throw them all under the bus to the hooting approval of his baying masses. Like feeding Christians to the lions, just without the dignity.

Richard Kennard Nov 7, 2024, 11:56 AM

60% tariff on Chinese goods...When last did you buy anything that wasn't Chinese? Hello inflation.

Muishond X Nov 7, 2024, 10:12 AM

So sad to see confirmation of the fact that DM has been captured by the left and is no longer a bastion of impartial investigative reporting. So many of my mild comments have been censored out purely because of my conservative leanings

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:51 PM

As have mine for having liberal leanings - I don't like the system of peer review and would far rather all comments were passed until someone flagged them for being overtly offensive.

tooth Nov 7, 2024, 10:14 AM

Insightful from Poplak

komanrudd Nov 7, 2024, 10:16 AM

Comparing Trump to Zuma is as ridiculous as Hitler. Under Zuma the economy tanked. Under Trump the economy soared. A childish, delusional, intolerant, frothing, violent Left has been smacked in the teeth finally. The lying from the Left has become psychopathic. Pop & Elec vote, Senate & House. Wow!

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:54 PM

No it's not. They have the same modus operandi for their politics and the same level of ethics. Dying on the hill of disputed growth that was BECAUSE of Trump is pretty weak.

alastairmgf Nov 7, 2024, 10:23 AM

Second time attempt. The constant insults, the left wing woke diatribe. DM and correspondents, have you learnt nothing? Rebecca, comparing Trump to Zuma. Feriel, on women’s rights (why not just say abortion). Pikoli, yes RFK Jnr will MAHA (what’s wrong with that) Poplak the usual drivel.

T Hutch Nov 7, 2024, 10:32 AM

Trump makes my skin crawl, but not as much as biased journalism without a shred of objectivity. I'm over DM - time to cancel the subscription.

Alan Salmon Nov 7, 2024, 10:33 AM

What has happened to common decency. A man has been elected president who has been found guilty of fraud and rape, lies repeatedly, and calls people he doesnt like awful names like a schoolkid. I could never ever vote for such a person regardless of his/her policies. Extraordinary !!

Peter Oosthuizen Nov 7, 2024, 11:20 AM

Absolutely Alan - when a former Repulican stalwart and Vice President sees red flags and distances himself from Trumpmania , when Mitch McConnell calls him out but hasn't the guts to stand up against Trump it should be noted. The Republican party should not be canflated with Trump but sadly it is!

Arnold O Managra Nov 7, 2024, 11:23 AM

Agreed. But instead of the alleged serial misbehaver would you choose an air-head? I made my choice. I'm not particularly proud of it. I did choose carefully tho, because it will make a difference to my and my kids' lives.

Richard Kennard Nov 7, 2024, 11:59 AM

Maybe Laura will tell you that to be decent is to be woke.

Graeme de Villiers Nov 8, 2024, 10:53 AM

:-) Hahahahahaha....wait for it...

Inertia Maharaj Nov 7, 2024, 11:04 AM

The ones who can't see the clear danger posed by Trump are so blissfully ignorant I actually envy them. They'll either be shocked and appalled when he goes full tyrant. Or they'll justify it. Most of all, they'll be angry at the media for pointing out their shameful, naked emperor.

Arnold O Managra Nov 7, 2024, 11:49 AM

Madam Maharaj, let us revisit your comment in four years' time. You are just parroting the zeitgeist. What exactly do you foresee? I suspect as in 2016, you will be very much surprised.

James Francis Nov 7, 2024, 01:01 PM

Trade war with China leading to high inflation again; emboldened BRICS leading to more strong-man regimes and erosion of democracies; a shift of globalism to China and its policies at the centre, as is already playing out in SA re: the Taiwan office. See you in four years.

Inertia Maharaj Nov 8, 2024, 02:29 AM

In 2016? When he was elected the same fears arose. By 2020 they proved to be more than justified. He mismanaged a global pandemic, causing more than a million deaths and he staged a (failed) insurrection! It's not unfair to conclude, based on evidence, that his next term will be much worse.

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:55 PM

You're quite correct!

to.johanvictor Nov 8, 2024, 02:56 AM

What a bizarre and bitter comment. Relax, we'll be perfectly fine and come out the other side a lot better with Trump at the helm. If you weren't so obviously misinformed you would have recognized the real tyranny that's been happening in America since Obama.

tmashiloane Nov 7, 2024, 11:35 AM

Biden's Presidency was literally a very severe time for South Africa and the world economies. Its factual, not speculative, unlike the theme of this article. In 2016 you were fearmongering about Trump potentially starting WW3 and being a dictator. Didnt happen. Stop with the nonsense.

James Francis Nov 7, 2024, 12:59 PM

Except his trade war with China aggravated inflation, and his needling of NATO members and hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan emboldened Putin to expand Russia's invasion.

to.johanvictor Nov 8, 2024, 02:58 AM

I think you are confusing Trump with Biden.

Stephan Stephansen Nov 7, 2024, 11:50 AM

Reading these depressing comments, especially those from the trolls who missed their Rabies shots, one thing is clear, many people do not understand the difference between news reports and opinion pieces.

Inertia Maharaj Nov 7, 2024, 12:55 PM

I mean, to be fair, they support Trump, so discerning between fact and fiction is a serious challenge as well.

John Kuhl Nov 7, 2024, 12:02 PM

there are changes coming.....and its all high time!!! ....we welcome the outcome Viva ....MAGA !!!! please !!!

Richard Kennard Nov 8, 2024, 09:31 AM

Viva project 2025 Viva

James Francis Nov 7, 2024, 12:05 PM

Not a single mention of Ukraine, which is the biggest issue. The ripple effects of a Russian victory will be much more profound than any of the issues raised above, and a Trump administration will embolden Russia, if it hasn't already. Expect much more maligning BRICS shenanigans.

Andre van der Walt Nov 7, 2024, 12:47 PM

Isn't it just lovely to have such balanced views presented by the media.

T'Plana Hath Nov 7, 2024, 02:46 PM

This should surprise you as much or as little as the election results. Who wants to be a journalist when you can be an influencer?

James Francis Nov 7, 2024, 12:50 PM

Just a reminder to all the pro-Trump South Africans that wokeism and abortion are not our biggest problems. BRICS is, especially how BRICS money is propping up the ANC and MK. And a Trump presidency will embolden the BRICS cabal.

koegiesfai Nov 7, 2024, 12:58 PM

You can be proud to have writers of this intellect and such insight!

Craig King Nov 7, 2024, 01:53 PM

Trump will make our lives better. That's it.

Fernando Moreira Nov 7, 2024, 01:59 PM

Pretty happy the Republicans are in the driving seats .. good for business ! Hopefully the ANC will be more careful with there mindless ,ignorant socialist rhetoric A clean sweep , including the popular vote !! Commentators need some introspection on how they got this so wrong.

franna63 Nov 7, 2024, 02:14 PM

Boo hoo! Cry me a river! All the leftist commentators are again whining including the pityfull Zapiro! Trump is absolutely so far from Zuma its not even funny! Suck on your tears, all of you!

D'Esprit Dan Nov 7, 2024, 09:58 PM

Yes, they're poles apart, physically, joined at the hip ideologically.

Steve Daniel Nov 7, 2024, 03:33 PM

The mostly ugly woke folk commenting here it seems. So very tired of their “I know best - I’m intelligent AND educated AND more superior than you rabble” tirades. You were wrong, are wrong and out of touch with real people. Doubt you remember or paid attention to basic needs where most live.

Steve Daniel Nov 7, 2024, 03:40 PM

Fact anyone - My son waited and worked and paid taxes and contributed to the USA BEFORE he qualified to become a citizen. Fact !!!

Steve Daniel Nov 7, 2024, 03:56 PM

Go

cwf51 Nov 7, 2024, 04:01 PM

Dems introduced: Higher Inflation, higher job losses, higher fuel prices, more fetanol, more crime, more unscientific rules, more "vaccines" that does not work or cause more heart attacks (etc.).

greigdoveygd Nov 7, 2024, 04:14 PM

I believe that even though Trump's win will not be good for the rest of the world it will be good for the American people. The number of illegals being allowed to pour over the US-Mexico border and just disappear is very scary. I have many friends and family members in the US who are celebrating.

Anil Maharaj Nov 7, 2024, 04:18 PM

Aah, the whining, weasly woeful woke ranting. Wonderful!! More, more!!

Dillonroulet Nov 7, 2024, 07:21 PM

You can't think of anything worse than being a black woman in America right now? What a facetious thing to say, especially when millions of women and girls live in fear of war, crime and sexual violence daily... Trump is crude and far from a role model but the world will survive 4 years.

User Nov 8, 2024, 06:55 AM

DM, I supported you financially as an insider, believing in your mission. But this latest Trump piece is just bias masquerading as analysis. If you can’t offer balanced journalism, count me out. I’m taking my support elsewhere. This insider is now an outsider—no funds, no loyalty. Goodbye.

Michael Thomlinson Nov 8, 2024, 01:14 PM

This is not DM, itself, expressing an opinion but 7 independent writers. Can they all be wrong? Americans are no different to South Africans: Elect a man charged or convicted of fraud and avoidance of taxes for President. Sound familiar?

Andrew Donaldson Nov 8, 2024, 07:04 AM

Already the rape stuff is happening. Check out the “Your body, my choice” memes trending among American men.

Ann Bown Nov 8, 2024, 08:03 AM

Mr X has planted many Bots on this thread…p*ss off Elon!

Richard Bryant Nov 8, 2024, 08:30 AM

I wonder if DM have a verification process in place to ensure subscribers are real? What stops a russian influencer from setting up a false persona using a legit email address and bank debit order to then have the licence to spew rubbish and abuse at DM and its real readers. Laura Smith?

Richard Kennard Nov 8, 2024, 12:08 PM

With you there Richard...So many new names who have popped up overnight & so vociferous & oblivious of the general respectful manner that posters generally conduct themselves on DM. In the case of Laura Smith respectful will be deemed woke.

Richard Kennard Nov 8, 2024, 10:29 AM

People voted for Trump because they LIKE him. They LIKE his bigotry, they LIKE his dishonesty, they LIKE how he hates everyone they hate. Economics have little to do with this- it's human psychology, and the entirety of human history is a reflection of it. People evolved to fear and hate the other

Michael Thomlinson Nov 8, 2024, 01:24 PM

You are right, Richard but it just blows me away to think that Americans are simply happy to ignore Trump's convictions, his dishonesty, bluster and the hate he spews and the fact that he is an old man for the PROMISE of economic security. The Democrats blew it rather than Trump won it.

Middle aged Mike Nov 8, 2024, 04:02 PM

It seems unlikely that a little over 50% of American voters like bigotry, dishonesty and hate. Many of them were after all the same ones who hired Obama twice. What's happened to turn all those nice smart folks all hatey?

Roke Wood Nov 8, 2024, 12:18 PM

Wow! after reading the article and the comments it seems some are unable to accept the American peoples choice, they voted Trump into power. Done. It would seem some ppl are projecting their insecurities onto others, which is sad to see, its also classic human psychology 101. Trump won, the end.

Colin Hendriks Nov 8, 2024, 03:15 PM

Having read these 7 opinion pieces, I was struck by the lack of diversity. As for those silly Americans voting against their own best interests......

Steve Daniel Nov 9, 2024, 12:09 AM

So - the polls were wrong - the experts were wrong - the highly educated vocals were wrong - the historic media were loudly wrong and the despicable garbage common man using only logic and common sense, won ! Practice beats theory - how cool is that. Perhaps the crazies will shut up now…

Gareth Murray Nov 9, 2024, 07:32 AM

Pathetic whining from Davis, Haffajee & Pikoli. They clearly know very little about America & American politics. So, they honestly think another 4 years of chaos under Harris already on top of the 4 under Biden is good for America & the world

stewart81 Nov 9, 2024, 03:23 PM

An anthology of leftist wokery from DM scribblers! Did I miss the name-calling of Trump as a "Nazi"? Meanwhile they happily ignore the calls from the lefty-idiot losers, Harris, Biden and others, still raging on about "keeping on fighting", as if no democratic election was held at all!