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US swings to Trump and Republican Congress — how it’s playing out and what happens next

Donald Trump declared victory before the election results were final. ‘We’ve achieved the most incredible thing,’ he told his supporters in Florida. This is how things are playing out.
US swings to Trump and Republican Congress — how it’s playing out and what happens next By the end of America’s election day on 5 November, close to 200 million people had voted in person, by advance ballots beforehand, and through mail-in ballots. The final totals are still being calculated – and, depending on each state, mail-in ballots will still be counted as long as they are postmarked by election day or a day or two later. Most of the media (except Fox News) have not yet declared the election won by Donald Trump, but he has now declared victory. Trump declared: “God spared my life for a reason. That reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness, and now we are going to fulfil that mission.” Read more: Donald Trump claims victory as broad shift in support for him emerges across the US Most key districts in the seven swing states appear to have gone convincingly to Trump. This means voters in crucial places like Bucks County in Pennsylvania had supported him, meaning that state’s electoral votes were now in the former president’s column – bringing Trump to claim victory. Trump is only the second American president to win re-election after first being defeated in a re-election bid (Grover Cleveland achieved that feat at the end of the 19th century.) Despite still incomplete results, Trump as president-elect and his team will begin a transition process towards putting in place a new administration that will take office on 20 January 2025.  There may be a few court challenges over some state results, most likely over whether or not an ineligible person or two voted, or whether there were administrative or procedural errors in the process of counting the votes, but these will not change the result. Given the experience of the 2020 election, in the years in between the states had all upped their respective games in managing the security of the nation’s electoral process. South Africans should recall American elections are run by the individual states, rather than a national electoral commission. [caption id="attachment_2449167" align="alignnone" width="1750"]Trump Supporters of Donald Trump react to election results during an election night watch party in the West Palm Beach Convention Center in Florida on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Cristobal Herrera-Ulashkevich)[/caption] Besides the presidential choice, the entire House of Representatives, one-third of the Senate, and hundreds and hundreds of state and local positions were also up for election. It is still too early to ascertain for certain how successful the Republicans have been but it is increasingly certain they will control both houses of Congress. In addition, an important feature this year has been referendums in 10 states over restraining those states from imposing limitations on women’s reproductive rights, including  access to legal abortions.  Proposals for significant changes to the nation’s tax structures or for new programmes and expenditures will be debated strenuously before they are adopted. With a Republican Congress in place, it could put the future of the African Growth and Opportunity Act (its legislated existence expires in 2025), the Pepfar programme dealing with HIV/Aids, and a number of other foreign assistance projects at risk of being restricted or even ended. South Africans would feel the pinch of such decisions. In the initial analysis, the most consequential issues in this election included promises to restrict and manage immigration and deport many illegal immigrants; and the circumstances of the economy and voter discontent over crucial “kitchen table” issues and a promise to enact punishing tariffs against foreign nations – especially China.  Read more: Rand tanks as Trump poised to return to White House Read more: US election analysis and live updates Ultimately, Kamala Harris’s campaigning to protect women’s reproductive rights, and a vigorous defence of democratic values turned out to be much less salient to a majority of voters. Typically, foreign policy issues such as further military aid to Ukraine or Israel or even measures to address global climate concerns were seen by most voters to be of lesser importance than those other issues.  [caption id="attachment_2449138" align="alignnone" width="2560"] Supporters at the Nevada Republican Party watch party at the Ahern Hotel in Las Vegas on 5 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Caroline Brehman)[/caption] [caption id="attachment_2449136" align="alignnone" width="2560"]Trump Democratic Party supporters react in dismay during a UK Democrats Abroad Election watch party held at a sports bar in London on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Andy rain)[/caption] The Trump argument was that the Biden administration – which his opponent obviously was a part of – had failed to solve the economic and immigration crises, while Harris argued that the Biden administration had delivered strongly in its support for the economy, after Covid, and that her administration would expand on what she termed the creation of an “opportunity society”. In the end, Trump’s arguments carried much more weight than Harris’s with key sectors of the electorate. [caption id="attachment_2449126" align="alignnone" width="1742"] Donald Trump, his wife Melania and their son Barron arrive on stage to address supporters at an election night watch party in West Palm Beach, Florida, on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Cristobal Herrera-Ulashkevich)[/caption] [caption id="attachment_2449113" align="alignnone" width="1839"]Trump Donald Trump addresses supporters in West Palm Beach, Florida, on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Cristobal Herrera-Ulashkevich)[/caption] As far as Africa, and South Africa specifically, is concerned, the continent was barely mentioned throughout the campaign by the two candidates. In fact, foreign affairs issues were barely mentioned by either, although Trump insisted he would easily be able to end both the Ukrainian war and the Middle East conflicts, and that the Chinese challenge to American industry would be solved by punitive tariffs enacted against Chinese (and other) imports.  Harris had argued that America’s foreign policy goals could best be achieved via close cooperation and coordination with the country’s allies and she reiterated continuing support for Israel’s right to defend itself, but called for increased attention to the continuing plight of Palestinians as part of her foreign policy agenda.  [caption id="attachment_2449034" align="alignnone" width="1802"] The set for Vice-President Kamala Harris’s election night watch party after she declined to speak and crowds dispersed at Howard University in Washington, DC, on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Jim Lo Scalzo)[/caption] Trump has insisted his support for Israel and its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was unwavering and this victory will inevitably provoke deep recalibration and some sombre thinking in Tehran and other capitals in the Middle East. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians and allies in Europe are now left to contemplate in a kind of state of shock over what the future will hold in Ukraine’s desperate effort to forestall a Russia victory. At the beginning of January, once the new Congress has been sworn in, the respective official lists of electors (and thus which candidate they supported) will be opened before the vice-president in a joint sitting of the two houses and the next president is formally proclaimed. DM Update at 12.50pm on 6 November: Trump has been confirmed as US's new president, with the New York Times online publication headlined: Trump storms back  - Stunning return to power after dark and defiant campaign. 

By the end of America’s election day on 5 November, close to 200 million people had voted in person, by advance ballots beforehand, and through mail-in ballots. The final totals are still being calculated – and, depending on each state, mail-in ballots will still be counted as long as they are postmarked by election day or a day or two later. Most of the media (except Fox News) have not yet declared the election won by Donald Trump, but he has now declared victory.

Trump declared: “God spared my life for a reason. That reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness, and now we are going to fulfil that mission.”

Read more: Donald Trump claims victory as broad shift in support for him emerges across the US

Most key districts in the seven swing states appear to have gone convincingly to Trump. This means voters in crucial places like Bucks County in Pennsylvania had supported him, meaning that state’s electoral votes were now in the former president’s column – bringing Trump to claim victory. Trump is only the second American president to win re-election after first being defeated in a re-election bid (Grover Cleveland achieved that feat at the end of the 19th century.)

Despite still incomplete results, Trump as president-elect and his team will begin a transition process towards putting in place a new administration that will take office on 20 January 2025. 

There may be a few court challenges over some state results, most likely over whether or not an ineligible person or two voted, or whether there were administrative or procedural errors in the process of counting the votes, but these will not change the result. Given the experience of the 2020 election, in the years in between the states had all upped their respective games in managing the security of the nation’s electoral process. South Africans should recall American elections are run by the individual states, rather than a national electoral commission.

Trump Supporters of Donald Trump react to election results during an election night watch party in the West Palm Beach Convention Center in Florida on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Cristobal Herrera-Ulashkevich)



Besides the presidential choice, the entire House of Representatives, one-third of the Senate, and hundreds and hundreds of state and local positions were also up for election. It is still too early to ascertain for certain how successful the Republicans have been but it is increasingly certain they will control both houses of Congress. In addition, an important feature this year has been referendums in 10 states over restraining those states from imposing limitations on women’s reproductive rights, including  access to legal abortions. 

Proposals for significant changes to the nation’s tax structures or for new programmes and expenditures will be debated strenuously before they are adopted. With a Republican Congress in place, it could put the future of the African Growth and Opportunity Act (its legislated existence expires in 2025), the Pepfar programme dealing with HIV/Aids, and a number of other foreign assistance projects at risk of being restricted or even ended. South Africans would feel the pinch of such decisions.

In the initial analysis, the most consequential issues in this election included promises to restrict and manage immigration and deport many illegal immigrants; and the circumstances of the economy and voter discontent over crucial “kitchen table” issues and a promise to enact punishing tariffs against foreign nations – especially China. 

Read more: Rand tanks as Trump poised to return to White House

Read more: US election analysis and live updates

Ultimately, Kamala Harris’s campaigning to protect women’s reproductive rights, and a vigorous defence of democratic values turned out to be much less salient to a majority of voters. Typically, foreign policy issues such as further military aid to Ukraine or Israel or even measures to address global climate concerns were seen by most voters to be of lesser importance than those other issues. 

Supporters at the Nevada Republican Party watch party at the Ahern Hotel in Las Vegas on 5 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Caroline Brehman)



Trump Democratic Party supporters react in dismay during a UK Democrats Abroad Election watch party held at a sports bar in London on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Andy rain)



The Trump argument was that the Biden administration – which his opponent obviously was a part of – had failed to solve the economic and immigration crises, while Harris argued that the Biden administration had delivered strongly in its support for the economy, after Covid, and that her administration would expand on what she termed the creation of an “opportunity society”. In the end, Trump’s arguments carried much more weight than Harris’s with key sectors of the electorate.

Donald Trump, his wife Melania and their son Barron arrive on stage to address supporters at an election night watch party in West Palm Beach, Florida, on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Cristobal Herrera-Ulashkevich)



Trump Donald Trump addresses supporters in West Palm Beach, Florida, on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Cristobal Herrera-Ulashkevich)



As far as Africa, and South Africa specifically, is concerned, the continent was barely mentioned throughout the campaign by the two candidates. In fact, foreign affairs issues were barely mentioned by either, although Trump insisted he would easily be able to end both the Ukrainian war and the Middle East conflicts, and that the Chinese challenge to American industry would be solved by punitive tariffs enacted against Chinese (and other) imports. 

Harris had argued that America’s foreign policy goals could best be achieved via close cooperation and coordination with the country’s allies and she reiterated continuing support for Israel’s right to defend itself, but called for increased attention to the continuing plight of Palestinians as part of her foreign policy agenda. 

The set for Vice-President Kamala Harris’s election night watch party after she declined to speak and crowds dispersed at Howard University in Washington, DC, on 6 November 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Jim Lo Scalzo)



Trump has insisted his support for Israel and its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was unwavering and this victory will inevitably provoke deep recalibration and some sombre thinking in Tehran and other capitals in the Middle East. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians and allies in Europe are now left to contemplate in a kind of state of shock over what the future will hold in Ukraine’s desperate effort to forestall a Russia victory.

At the beginning of January, once the new Congress has been sworn in, the respective official lists of electors (and thus which candidate they supported) will be opened before the vice-president in a joint sitting of the two houses and the next president is formally proclaimed. DM

Update at 12.50pm on 6 November: Trump has been confirmed as US's new president, with the New York Times online publication headlined: Trump storms back  - Stunning return to power after dark and defiant campaign. 

Comments

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 11:43 AM

So the Swifties didn't come out to vote, eh?

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 6, 2024, 12:40 PM

And the Black men, Latinos, Puerto Ricans etc did...for Trump! Thought he was the worst racist???? And so did millions of sensible women....Including perhaps Jill Biden who wore the brightest red pantsuit to come and vote...interesting! Probably voted for Trump, as they despise Harris so much.

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 12:55 PM

Very good observation. Trump made major strides amongst people of colour, such as Latinos. This is what the woke and the elites don't get: many Latinos are conservative and family people. They don't want to be preached to or have men in their daughters' bathrooms.

Richard Kennard Nov 6, 2024, 04:14 PM

Its called the Stockholm complex

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 04:36 PM

It's actually called Stockholm Syndrome.

ttshililo2 Nov 6, 2024, 04:44 PM

This is incorrect barring Latino men the 4% blk men who voted is hardly a resounding majority. The majority of white women voted for this buffoon- that is what tipped it. Might I add, it isn’t surprising.

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 06:58 PM

Why do you want to bar Latino men, Tumelo? Is it because their pants are too tight?

sierravictor75 Nov 6, 2024, 11:45 AM

Good for America. Good for white, heterosexual capitalists. Not so good for anyone else.

Glyn Morgan Nov 6, 2024, 12:01 PM

If Europe falls I will be peeeedd off, bigtime!

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 12:04 PM

Ya. They're probably all drowning their sorrows in bud light.

jsiebrits Nov 6, 2024, 12:31 PM

All the South Africans enjoying this: this could well be the end of AGOA. And the end of Ukraine and a number of other countries in that region.

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 12:54 PM

My prediction is it won't be the end of agoa. South African waters and ports a quite a good draw card with what's happening off Yemen. Biden helped create Ukraine situation. Trump can stop the killing if nothing else.

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 01:26 PM

We have a great deal more to do with the risk of our access to it ending than the next president. Biting that hand that feeds you delicious freebies isn't peak strategic thinking but then stuffing couches with dollars probably consumes a lot of the required bandwidth.

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 12:56 PM

How original. America is racist. Except Trump had major support from people who aren't white, such as Latinos. You woke types still don't get it, do you? Your perverse woke agenda repels all thinking people, also black and Latino people.

ttshililo2 Nov 6, 2024, 04:50 PM

Please stop with these lies, only 4% of blk men voted for this buffoon and close to 0% blk women voted for him. This dimwittedness in thinking calling people woke is pejorative is honestly tired. Grow up and read something other than elon musk’s twitter feeed.

Mike Pragmatist Nov 6, 2024, 09:48 PM

Please share your source, it will make interesting reading

alexgordon1978 Nov 6, 2024, 11:53 AM

Idiocracy

Richard Kennard Nov 6, 2024, 12:12 PM

Not quite as stunned and gutted as the morning after Brexit, just sat here thinking 'how could this happen? How are so many people so gullible?'

Mike Pragmatist Nov 6, 2024, 01:15 PM

Yeah, amazing that so many believed it could never happen.

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 12:59 PM

Salty, much? The true idiots are you woke bunch, the "educated", the Ivy League elites, the mass media and the Deep State. They thought putting up an un-electable candidate, who offered super-wokeness, would win. Instead, she did worse than Biden in every single state and county.

Richard Kennard Nov 6, 2024, 02:19 PM

Apparently being a complete disgrace of a human being isn't just acceptable, but worthy of the highest office in the world.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 6, 2024, 05:57 PM

South Africans should know that. Zuma is a close example. But what has happened in the US teaches everyone that it is not an African thing

alexgordon1978 Nov 6, 2024, 02:25 PM

Sorry my dear, I'm barely educated and no "ivy league elite" + it seems like whenever a female runs against a male for POTUS, she usually loses by far...

Van Van Nov 6, 2024, 06:35 PM

Don’t fit any of the descriptions you paint, yet been shocked that a 1st world nation would vote for such a vulgar person.

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 08:38 PM

The shoe fits, eh?

jackjack12 Nov 6, 2024, 12:02 PM

Liberal woke ideologies got put in their place today. Looking forward to the next 4 years.

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 01:00 PM

November 5th, 2024. The Woke Waterloo; the day the super-woke elites, their Big Tech backers and their legacy media Pravdas, including this publication, got cut down to the small minority that they really are.

vvanvliet7 Nov 6, 2024, 03:19 PM

You are still here reading "this publication". Or are we to understand that you are here to gloat and then will be away?

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 06:20 PM

I am here to ridicule the wokeness of the Daily Soros. Deal with it.

megapode Nov 6, 2024, 04:31 PM

OK. Why? How does Trump's election change anything for the good here at home? And I'm not talking about LGB rights, I mean *ANYTHING*. I don't see why there is support here for a politician whose election offers exactly zilch to SA.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 6, 2024, 05:51 PM

I'll tell you what it does for SA. Those among us that are puzzled by Zuma's continued popularity, despite being a fallen, must know it's not about race of followers. That any Tom, Dick or Harry can rise to the top just by expliting people's legitimate yearnings.

Mike Pragmatist Nov 6, 2024, 09:49 PM

And Camilla offered us what?

sl0m0 za Nov 6, 2024, 10:34 PM

Because all the woke SH1t makes its way to SA - just see Capetown mayor celebrating a rainbow traffic crossing. Also, Trump will hopefully help put a sock in all the Climate BS.

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 12:08 PM

CNN and MSNBC starting to make excuses already. Despite the BS they've been promoting and spouting for months. Bet a lot of Harris campaign funds went to these propaganda machines.

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 6, 2024, 12:49 PM

And to paying stars...both has been and present...to endorse Harris....which more often than not, flopped. See Di Nero, Cardi B, Beyonce, Swift....so embarrassing. They are so rich, so shallow, so deluded intheir ivory towers, no wonder they left struggling voters ice cold and did not help Harris

Angus Walsh Nov 6, 2024, 01:30 PM

And all worried about their starring roles in the P Diddy videos….

Richard Kennard Nov 6, 2024, 04:20 PM

Touche..remind us which candidate has an association with rape?

Lucy P Nov 6, 2024, 04:37 PM

So Elon Musk is in touch with 'struggling voters'?

Noelsoyizwap Nov 6, 2024, 05:43 PM

Trump's greatest character trait is charisma and Harris has none of it. Cases of fraud, being found culpable for sexual misconduct incitement of violence have not dampened his enthusiasm of supporters. Then his “Make America Great Again” messaging, just did it for the Americans

Muishond X Nov 6, 2024, 12:09 PM

Iran is back on track into oblivion. Mazeltov.

superjase Nov 6, 2024, 01:56 PM

until he decides to invite putin, kim, and pezeshkian to mar-a-lago for a bro party.

megapode Nov 6, 2024, 02:08 PM

Did you hear him on election night? "Iran? Great country, lovely people. I want them to have every success. They just can't have a nuclear bomb."

megapode Nov 6, 2024, 02:14 PM

Well the polls (at least the one's I heard) got it wrong. There may be real, widespread concern about reproductive rights, but Trump played the hierarchy of needs. Before folks get worried about higher stuff they want the rent and the grocers bill paid. And that was Trump's campaign promise.

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 12:19 PM

So looking forward to a Phillip van niekerk opinionista. A bit of a post mortem on this election. Can't wait.

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 6, 2024, 12:53 PM

Ha ha...me neither! We will certainly get something from him....unless he has been in ICU for his chronic case of Trump derangement syndrome, and has emerged healed. Maybe he will study Trumps policies for once, and admit that they are sensible, life and health affirming, and will make America great

Walter Spatula Nov 6, 2024, 01:15 PM

Ha! America hasn't been great for a while, and that's likely to never change.

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 02:11 PM

A little over 4% of global population and 26% of it's economy. That's great before you get to things like it's wildly disproportionate share of military power. You may not like them but you have to have a really good imagination to see them as something other than great.

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 01:01 PM

Are you going to contribute to my GoFundMe initiative, to buy some antidepressants and therapy for Van Niekerk? He's having a really, really, really terrible day, the poor woke soul.

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 01:35 PM

No. Because Obamacare has that covered. They've got trumpenol tabs for that.

Rod MacLeod Nov 6, 2024, 02:14 PM

The glaotees here seem to have forgotten the detergent injection for Covid, Jefferson taking over the civil war airports, the nuking of hurricanes, the invisible F16 stealth jet, the pussy grabbing, the 37 counts of fraud, the documented 22,000+ lies ... and January 06th, never mind The Wall.

Peter Oosthuizen Nov 6, 2024, 03:01 PM

Absolutely - right wing, racist, misogynist, cowardly hypocrite being supported by those who believe in keeping the woman in the kithen, preferably barefoot and pregnant, exploitation of labour, and a love of everything represented by Bzos and Musk.

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 03:15 PM

This stuff is gold, don't stop. Did you miss nazi, isn't he one of those too?

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 06:22 PM

Nailed it. The lack of self-awareness is both patent and hilarious.

Lucius Casca Nov 6, 2024, 08:25 PM

They still don't get why the dems lost.. Amazing

Van Van Nov 6, 2024, 06:42 PM

Don’t forget Arnold Palmer… And that we as women have no right to vote as we please.

D'Esprit Dan Nov 6, 2024, 12:26 PM

Harris’s campaign, with respect, Brooks, plumbed into a celeb love-fest and sneering at Trump (and by extension his fans) in the run-up: policy got lost in celeb photo-ops. Does anyone struggling to pay bills give a shit what they think? The disconnect was appalling; the outcome even more so.

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 12:32 PM

"policy got lost", That was the problem. There was no policy to start with. The results speak for themselves.

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 6, 2024, 12:57 PM

Brilliantly said...the celeb thing shows the astounding lack of ideas, judgment, character, honesty, intelligence and competence of Harris and her campaign. Into oblivion we pray they will all go!

Peter Oosthuizen Nov 6, 2024, 03:03 PM

Please don't talk about "lack of honesty" if you support Trump.

laurantsystems Nov 6, 2024, 01:03 PM

Wow! Never thought I'd agree with you, but you've nailed it. The elites, such as academics and college-educated white East Coast and California snobs, sneering at the hillbilly "garbage" and calling them "fascists" / "racists" / "sexists" etc was never going to be a winning strategy.

Mike Pragmatist Nov 6, 2024, 01:18 PM

Never learned a thing from Hilary

Hilary Morris Nov 6, 2024, 03:34 PM

Says more about you than it does about me!

Mike Pragmatist Nov 6, 2024, 09:51 PM

Lol! Nee Clinton?

SATRADENET Nov 6, 2024, 12:32 PM

The border issue was the main reason for Trumpty's comeback..no one likes having their pet eaten!

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 6, 2024, 12:37 PM

A balanced article minus the vitriol from Brooks Spector for once! America and the world may rejoice as ultra wokeness, incompetence, liars, rotten foreign and domestic policy, sky high inflation, joblessness, despair and hopelessness have been defeated. Go Republicans and Trump! Show us !!!

ernest Nov 6, 2024, 12:40 PM

POOF! THERE GOES AGAO, PUNITIVE MEASURES AGAINST SOUTH AFRICA ON IT'S WAY. TRUMP HAS LONG BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT TO DEAL WITH OUR "SH*THOLE COUNTRY" I still need to try & figure how an IMPEACHED PRESIDENT can run for a second term? Like SA CRIMINALS / CORRUPTORS RULE SUPREME in government

Angus Walsh Nov 6, 2024, 01:35 PM

Impeached but acquitted on both occasions. I don’t believe South Africa will be punished particularly- but will wait and see. I hope not.

Richard Kennard Nov 6, 2024, 02:23 PM

Still a convicted felon though with sentencing awaited.

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 03:37 PM

As I understand it he was convicted of incorrectly attributing the hush money settlement he paid to a pornstar in his returns, not even for paying it. To be sure he's not the first president to have paid hush money. Bill Clinton being a good example.

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 03:51 PM

I thought Clinton only donated a cigar?

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 04:12 PM

You can't win two MMA awards on the same day. Sorry, rules is rules.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 6, 2024, 05:07 PM

SH*THOLE?? USA is not just a great country only by itself, it uses locations and relationships to maintain its greatness and a lot of work by US has gone into the SA we see today. Global geopolitics dictates US to maintain ties with SA. Also, SA is US's largest trade partner in Africa.

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 06:37 PM

Never respond to anyone who is overly familiar with upper case prose.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 6, 2024, 07:25 PM

Sure

Knowledgeispower RSA Nov 6, 2024, 12:45 PM

Sensible, you mean? Trumps policies are downright common sense, doable, ethical, clever and were successful before. JD Vance is a brilliant mind, as is Robrrt Kennedy, Elon, Tulsi Gabbard, Mike Johnson, and many others. A working coalition of great brains...Lucky America

Peter Oosthuizen Nov 6, 2024, 04:31 PM

All of them is in it for themselves. If only their brains could match their egos.

alastairmgf Nov 6, 2024, 01:48 PM

Spector, Van Niekerk, Poplack and even Cohen must be feeling rather silly now. As must the editorial team of DM. The Presidency, the Senate, The House and the Popular Vote. Boom!! And it could not have happened to a more despicable bunch than the current Democrat Party. Go woke, go broke.

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 02:16 PM

Woke ideology only holds up as long as you are well off enough to be shielded from it's consequences. That's why it struggles to take off in parts of the world where people are concerned with issues further down Mazlow's hierarchy but thrives in places like ivy league universities.

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 03:01 PM

Ja, I think we mentioned the Martha's vineyard episode before. Obama's etc

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 01:59 PM

Based on all the emoting that's been going on here and in other more progressive outlets it would be safe to assume that construction of the concentration and re-eduction camps should begin soon. The would be dictator will also shortly begin dismantling democracy and arresting opponents. Of hoe?

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 03:04 PM

Might need to wait another 4 years to hear that story again.

vvanvliet7 Nov 6, 2024, 03:25 PM

All the emoting in these comments are coming from the Trumpers

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 03:40 PM

I was referring to the opinionistas pieces rather than the commenters. Barring this article of Spector's which is uncharacteristically balanced they are pretty much 100% frothy feelz dumps

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 03:25 PM

The last time I watched a man beat a woman this badly was at the Olympics.

Middle aged Mike Nov 6, 2024, 03:44 PM

Please accept the MMA award of one internet for the most uplifting comment of the day.

Richard Kennard Nov 6, 2024, 04:34 PM

You can rejoice in that.

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 04:44 PM

Whoosh...

alastairmgf Nov 6, 2024, 04:56 PM

Brilliant comment. About sums it up.

Malcolm McManus Nov 6, 2024, 06:41 PM

Absolutely brilliant. Actually very fitting under the circumstances.

dean.gary Nov 6, 2024, 03:49 PM

The Democrats lost the election because they did not have their best candidate representing them. Republicans can thank the medically challenged Biden for endorsing Harris. No sane person will convince me that Harris was the best that the Democrats had to represent them out of 100 million + voters

Noelsoyizwap Nov 6, 2024, 04:39 PM

Currently there is no known leadership depth in the Democrats' camp. Besides, Trump spoke clearly about bread and butter issues and that's what majority vote wants to hear more.

Hilary Morris Nov 7, 2024, 08:01 AM

Trump is incapable of speaking clearly about anything. He spoke about little other than himself.

Noelsoyizwap Nov 7, 2024, 12:37 PM

But Trump's message only needed to be clear to his target audience. He made important inroads into groups he needed to get to win. (a) make US great again, (b) close the southern border, (c) mass deportation. You may not like it, but that was a clear to his supporters.

Van Van Nov 6, 2024, 06:45 PM

True

megapode Nov 6, 2024, 04:35 PM

I'm trying to imagine the mutual help network that gets some of these comments approved, and how they co-ordinate their efforts.

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 05:05 PM

Would you consider that a meta-comment?

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 04:41 PM

> Trump has been confirmed as US’s new president, with the New York Times online publication headlined... Interesting, is it always the NYT that decides the winner?

jbest67 Nov 6, 2024, 05:09 PM

Whoever wins is immaterial. Republican and democratic party are the same. They represent big capital, you know democracy has become a plutocracy. Voters are just there to legitimate a plutocratic order. It would be better if we just not vote because the Robin Hood is stealing from poor to give rich

Arnold O Managra Nov 6, 2024, 06:43 PM

Does anyone find it strange that the last democratic elections in America were won by right-wing maniacs? I certainly hope that doesn't happen in SA. We've even had to close the border with Mozambique for similar reasons. People, eh?

Philemon Solomon Nov 6, 2024, 07:02 PM

"Make Orwell fiction again"

karindiepgrond Nov 6, 2024, 07:50 PM

Whatever your thoughts on identity and politics this outcome will have a chilling effect on women and women's health in South Africa, Africa and poorer nations with far reaching social consequences.

Mike Pragmatist Nov 6, 2024, 09:52 PM

How?

Mike Pragmatist Nov 6, 2024, 09:55 PM

I wonder if our President sent congratulations, maybe a buffalo or two as a gift

sl0m0 za Nov 6, 2024, 10:24 PM

Great - now America can stop importing oil and start producing it's own again. Trump will stop all support for the WEF. He will also drastically lower crime in USA by deporting the illegal immigrants, which will Europe to do the same, solving crime issues in Europe.

robynheathfiel Nov 7, 2024, 02:03 AM

You can literally pick out the CNN watchers in the comments. Trapped in their Alice in Wonderland looking glass, shrieking hysterically at the dystopian Republican led future.