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Kamala Harris cleans Donald Trump’s clock in American presidential candidates debate — no debate about it

Tuesday night’s debate between presidential candidates Kamala Harris and Donald Trump had a clear winner — and it was not the former president.
Kamala Harris cleans Donald Trump’s clock in American presidential candidates debate — no debate about it By the time the highly anticipated candidates debate in Philadelphia on 10 September, and broadcast globally on television and online channels, had wrapped up, there was no dispute over the outcome. The former prosecutor dismantled the felon. Vice-President Kamala Harris went into this contest intent on introducing herself to any Americans who still say they don’t know enough about her, as well as proving beyond reasonable doubt that she must be seen as legitimate presidential timber.  Former president Donald Trump had the task of proving he was still at the top of his game, and that he could set out a sustained, convincing, even crushing criticism of Harris – but, crucially for his aides and handlers, that he would do this without defaulting into his shticks of self-pity and conspiracy thinking. Applying those metrics, and despite the fact that polling continues to reflect a view Trump would be the better economic policy manager, in this debate at least, it was clear the former president thoroughly lost the plot. Metaphorically at least, he came close to an oft-predicted display of spontaneous combustion. Within minutes it was clear Harris was loaded for bear, with words guaranteed to get under Trump’s notoriously thin skin in order to goad him into self-destructive, conspiratorial nastiness.  And so her words did just what she planned. As the debate progressed, more and more Trump resembled the crazy uncle you feel compelled to invite to family dinners, but to whom everyone is forcefully warned not to give a second cocktail, and to keep him away from the good china, the children and the pets. [caption id="attachment_2357862" align="alignnone" width="2459"]Harris Trump Donald Trump and Kamala Harris during the presidential candidates debate in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on 10 September 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Demetrius Freeman)[/caption] As Daniel Drezner described it in his newsletter the next day: “At the debate, Harris revealed that she could manipulate Trump equally effectively – by bringing up things that she knew would cause him to lose his cool. And good Lord did he oblige. I lost count of how many times she did this, but they include:
  • Mentioning that people leave Trump’s rallies halfway through because they were bored;
  • Bringing up “the late, great John McCain”;
  • Mentioning the endorsement of the [Dick and Liz] Cheneys and the 200 other Republicans;
  • Mentioning that economists at the Wharton School – Trump’s alma mater - pooh-poohed his economic plan; and
  • Saying: “Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people, and he’s clearly having a hard time processing that.”
“The result was that Trump, who had bouts of incoherence in the June debate [with then candidate Joe Biden, seeking re-election], melted down in September. Being fact-checked by the ABC moderators did him no favours either.” On that point, ABC News’ David Muir and Linsey Davis behaved far better than most moderators have in debates; forcibly but politely pushing Trump into answering the questions being asked and pointing out where there was no evidence to support a claim or when Trump claimed something opposite of what was true – as with the national crime rate – or in Trump’s confusing answers to questions about women’s reproductive rights. Regarding economic policy, Trump resolutely hugged two ideas. The first was that a massive tariff increase would somehow, magically, trigger economic growth and punish nations like China taking advantage of America, even as he seems not to understand that tariffs are a tax paid by customers – in the US – rather than a cost inflicted on the producer. Harris correctly called it out as a kind of national sales tax. Perhaps none of Trump’s classes at the Wharton School of Business ever included trade or fiscal policy?  Trump’s other all-encompassing idea, repeated ad nauseam, was that millions and millions of illegal immigrants are pouring across America’s borders from foreign prisons, mental institutions and insane asylums (his words, not mine). This was partly so Democrats could ramp up their votes with those illegal immigrants, and, inevitably, those people were stealing jobs from black and brown people – contributing to an imminent collapse of America’s society and economy.  That morphed into one of the strangest things I have heard since I watched the first presidential debate of the 20th century between Richard Nixon and John Kennedy. This was the tale that Haitian immigrants (legal ones) invading Springfield, Ohio, are stealing pets – puppies and kitties – to cook and eat them. Really.  [caption id="attachment_2357860" align="alignnone" width="2560"] Former US president Donald Trump and current Vice-President Kamala Harris are seen on a large television during their presidential debate on 10 September 2024. They faced off for 90 minutes in their only planned debate of the 2024 presidential election. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Jim Lo Scalzo)[/caption] This is despite the fact that reporters chasing this rumour have contacted the town’s mayor and police chief who report no missing or rotisserie Fidos or Plutos. And he seized on this culinary tall tale more than once in the 90-minute debate. One participant in a CNN focus group, a minister in Erie, Pennsylvania, called this out for what it self-evidently was: the othering of foreigners by culinary means as a clumsy appeal to black and brown voters and citizens. Meanwhile, as the debate moved on to international affairs, the battle lines were drawn over the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Middle East conflict, the messy withdrawal from Afghanistan and global respect (or the lack of it) for the US. Trump repeated his oft-said boasts he could settle the Ukrainian and Mideast conflicts easily, snap, just like that – and had he been president when they were about to break out, they never would have because other nations and leaders fear him.  Read more: Letter from DC — Kamala Harris is spoiling for a fight, and she’s coming for Trump To prove this, he said Hungary’s Viktor Orbán (the right-wing, anti-democratic but elected strongman) was a fan because Trump was also a strong leader. Interestingly, we never heard any mention of North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, the same man with whom Trump had exchanged those infamous “love letters”.  Trump attempted to denigrate Harris, saying – falsely – she had snubbed Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu during his most recent Washington visit (although she did not attend Netanyahu’s speech in Congress). Further, it was her and Biden’s fault that the withdrawal of the final contingent of American military personnel from Kabul three years ago led to 13 needless deaths and the loss of billions of dollars in military gear. Harris parried by describing how the disaster evolved out of negotiations Trump himself had conducted with the Taliban freeing 5,000 Taliban fighters. Read more: Takeaways from the Harris-Trump presidential debate Underlying her entire appearance, Harris argued with real passion that she, unlike her opponent, was a candidate from a new generation of leaders who will embrace optimism about the future. Her administration would continue building a stronger middle class and would enhance the country’s trajectory for the future. Trump, by contrast, as he has in the past, argued that a Harris administration might well continue the growing failures of the nation and perhaps even World War 3.  For those wondering, China – the nation many analysts say poses the greatest threat to America’s world standing – barely got a mention, save for threats of still higher tariffs against Chinese manufacturers. It will surprise no one that Africa was not mentioned. In a development that may be exceptionally helpful to Harris, just as the debate was ending, Taylor Swift issued a social media message endorsing Harris’s candidacy. If she wins, it is a good guess we know who will be singing at her inauguration. DM

By the time the highly anticipated candidates debate in Philadelphia on 10 September, and broadcast globally on television and online channels, had wrapped up, there was no dispute over the outcome. The former prosecutor dismantled the felon.

Vice-President Kamala Harris went into this contest intent on introducing herself to any Americans who still say they don’t know enough about her, as well as proving beyond reasonable doubt that she must be seen as legitimate presidential timber. 

Former president Donald Trump had the task of proving he was still at the top of his game, and that he could set out a sustained, convincing, even crushing criticism of Harris – but, crucially for his aides and handlers, that he would do this without defaulting into his shticks of self-pity and conspiracy thinking.

Applying those metrics, and despite the fact that polling continues to reflect a view Trump would be the better economic policy manager, in this debate at least, it was clear the former president thoroughly lost the plot. Metaphorically at least, he came close to an oft-predicted display of spontaneous combustion. Within minutes it was clear Harris was loaded for bear, with words guaranteed to get under Trump’s notoriously thin skin in order to goad him into self-destructive, conspiratorial nastiness. 

And so her words did just what she planned. As the debate progressed, more and more Trump resembled the crazy uncle you feel compelled to invite to family dinners, but to whom everyone is forcefully warned not to give a second cocktail, and to keep him away from the good china, the children and the pets.

Harris Trump Donald Trump and Kamala Harris during the presidential candidates debate in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on 10 September 2024. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Demetrius Freeman)



As Daniel Drezner described it in his newsletter the next day: “At the debate, Harris revealed that she could manipulate Trump equally effectively – by bringing up things that she knew would cause him to lose his cool. And good Lord did he oblige.

I lost count of how many times she did this, but they include:

  • Mentioning that people leave Trump’s rallies halfway through because they were bored;

  • Bringing up “the late, great John McCain”;

  • Mentioning the endorsement of the [Dick and Liz] Cheneys and the 200 other Republicans;

  • Mentioning that economists at the Wharton School – Trump’s alma mater - pooh-poohed his economic plan; and

  • Saying: “Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people, and he’s clearly having a hard time processing that.”


“The result was that Trump, who had bouts of incoherence in the June debate [with then candidate Joe Biden, seeking re-election], melted down in September. Being fact-checked by the ABC moderators did him no favours either.”

On that point, ABC News’ David Muir and Linsey Davis behaved far better than most moderators have in debates; forcibly but politely pushing Trump into answering the questions being asked and pointing out where there was no evidence to support a claim or when Trump claimed something opposite of what was true – as with the national crime rate – or in Trump’s confusing answers to questions about women’s reproductive rights.

Regarding economic policy, Trump resolutely hugged two ideas. The first was that a massive tariff increase would somehow, magically, trigger economic growth and punish nations like China taking advantage of America, even as he seems not to understand that tariffs are a tax paid by customers – in the US – rather than a cost inflicted on the producer. Harris correctly called it out as a kind of national sales tax. Perhaps none of Trump’s classes at the Wharton School of Business ever included trade or fiscal policy? 

Trump’s other all-encompassing idea, repeated ad nauseam, was that millions and millions of illegal immigrants are pouring across America’s borders from foreign prisons, mental institutions and insane asylums (his words, not mine). This was partly so Democrats could ramp up their votes with those illegal immigrants, and, inevitably, those people were stealing jobs from black and brown people – contributing to an imminent collapse of America’s society and economy. 

That morphed into one of the strangest things I have heard since I watched the first presidential debate of the 20th century between Richard Nixon and John Kennedy. This was the tale that Haitian immigrants (legal ones) invading Springfield, Ohio, are stealing pets – puppies and kitties – to cook and eat them. Really. 

Former US president Donald Trump and current Vice-President Kamala Harris are seen on a large television during their presidential debate on 10 September 2024. They faced off for 90 minutes in their only planned debate of the 2024 presidential election. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Jim Lo Scalzo)



This is despite the fact that reporters chasing this rumour have contacted the town’s mayor and police chief who report no missing or rotisserie Fidos or Plutos. And he seized on this culinary tall tale more than once in the 90-minute debate. One participant in a CNN focus group, a minister in Erie, Pennsylvania, called this out for what it self-evidently was: the othering of foreigners by culinary means as a clumsy appeal to black and brown voters and citizens.

Meanwhile, as the debate moved on to international affairs, the battle lines were drawn over the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Middle East conflict, the messy withdrawal from Afghanistan and global respect (or the lack of it) for the US. Trump repeated his oft-said boasts he could settle the Ukrainian and Mideast conflicts easily, snap, just like that – and had he been president when they were about to break out, they never would have because other nations and leaders fear him. 

Read more: Letter from DC — Kamala Harris is spoiling for a fight, and she’s coming for Trump

To prove this, he said Hungary’s Viktor Orbán (the right-wing, anti-democratic but elected strongman) was a fan because Trump was also a strong leader. Interestingly, we never heard any mention of North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, the same man with whom Trump had exchanged those infamous “love letters”. 

Trump attempted to denigrate Harris, saying – falsely – she had snubbed Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu during his most recent Washington visit (although she did not attend Netanyahu’s speech in Congress). Further, it was her and Biden’s fault that the withdrawal of the final contingent of American military personnel from Kabul three years ago led to 13 needless deaths and the loss of billions of dollars in military gear. Harris parried by describing how the disaster evolved out of negotiations Trump himself had conducted with the Taliban freeing 5,000 Taliban fighters.

Read more: Takeaways from the Harris-Trump presidential debate

Underlying her entire appearance, Harris argued with real passion that she, unlike her opponent, was a candidate from a new generation of leaders who will embrace optimism about the future. Her administration would continue building a stronger middle class and would enhance the country’s trajectory for the future. Trump, by contrast, as he has in the past, argued that a Harris administration might well continue the growing failures of the nation and perhaps even World War 3. 

For those wondering, China – the nation many analysts say poses the greatest threat to America’s world standing – barely got a mention, save for threats of still higher tariffs against Chinese manufacturers. It will surprise no one that Africa was not mentioned.

In a development that may be exceptionally helpful to Harris, just as the debate was ending, Taylor Swift issued a social media message endorsing Harris’s candidacy. If she wins, it is a good guess we know who will be singing at her inauguration. DM

Comments

D'Esprit Dan Sep 11, 2024, 04:31 PM

Trump is a fraud. Even a 10% tariff on all Chinese goods would impose roughly US$45bn in new taxes on US consumers (effectively what tariffs are), or encourage imports from 3rd parties - it happened in his last presidency with steel, without bringing back massive jobs. He should stick to reality TV

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Sep 12, 2024, 08:21 AM

I dont really understand your comment. Isn't the point that the tariff only affects those who actually buy Chinese goods thus incentivising local purchasing?Please can someone enlighten me

Malcolm McManus Sep 12, 2024, 09:02 AM

You got it right. Something USA desperately needs to promote and grow their local manufacturing industry, thus making them less reliant on China. Only problem is with US $ hegemony, they cant produce much locally cheap enough to compete in spite of duties.

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Sep 12, 2024, 10:24 AM

Thank you. So am I right then in understanding the policy is populist but in reality unrealistic and counter productive for Americans?

Malcolm McManus Sep 12, 2024, 01:19 PM

In theory to raise duties is the way to go, but perhaps too late to work. The Chinese for example work much harder for their buck, which makes them much more competitive. My own view is the US way of life is changing negatively for much time to come. It needs urgent reform. Not an easy feat,

D'Esprit Dan Sep 12, 2024, 10:05 AM

Hi Fanie, yes, that's right - assuming the USA could manufacture competitively with China. But the Trump fanboys offshored their factories to China years ago. Minimum wage in US factories is around US$28/hr, versus US$370/month in China or less than 2 days work in a US factory. 1/2

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Sep 12, 2024, 10:25 AM

Thank you

D'Esprit Dan Sep 12, 2024, 10:09 AM

2/2, so with costs that much higher throughout the value chain (inputs, labour etc), you need to increase Chinese costs through duties & assume investors will set up/expand factories. Would you punt billions of $ on a new factory knowing that your advantage is a fake one, which could be revoked?

Martin Ernst Sep 11, 2024, 04:31 PM

It still boggles my mind that so many people think that the felon would be good at managing an economy despite the fact that he has bankrupted 3 or 4 money printing.. I mean casinos, in Las Vegas...

jeff.pillay Sep 11, 2024, 07:52 PM

Do you understand the why he did it?

D'Esprit Dan Sep 11, 2024, 09:17 PM

Yes, to keep his fortune and middle finger to everyone else. Trump is a useless businessman, who used the fortune he inherited to ruin business after business - and gambling and real estate! Literally can't lose if you're an astute entrepreneur. He's a loser.

Justikri Sep 12, 2024, 09:51 AM

I'd love to see you turn a million into billions! Easy for anyone to comment that they could do better. You only get so successful with some failures too!!!

D'Esprit Dan Sep 12, 2024, 10:12 AM

He literally blew billions (at other people's expense) through corporate failure - over and over again, in a foolproof industry. He's a fraud.

Johann Olivier Sep 12, 2024, 12:05 PM

Yes. Had he invested the $400m left to him by papa in a spyder, he would've today been worth significantly more than he is. All his 'corporate' prowess is a chimera. Simple fact.

mfsw Sep 12, 2024, 10:38 AM

Why would Janie Dimon of JP Morgan Chase have said recently that Trump was a very good administrator during the period when he was President and that Democrat supporters need to grow up and show some respect for half the population of the USA that are entitled to disagree with them..

Jane Crankshaw Sep 12, 2024, 12:04 PM

Diamon, like all the other Millionaires and Billionaires like Trump’s promises of tax breaks for the wealthy! Unfortunately Trump’s promises - like “I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it!” never happen - they're as empty as his morality, ethics and brain!

D'Esprit Dan Sep 12, 2024, 12:29 PM

Why? Because Dimon and Trump are birds of a feather: According to Good Jobs First's violation tracker, during Dimon's time heading JPMorgan Chase, the bank was fined $38 billion in total by the U.S. government, for legal and regulatory infractions. Seems like a great guy!

Kanu Sukha Sep 12, 2024, 02:53 PM

Taking the utterances of Dimon as wisdom, is like taking parenting tips from our latest 'sensation' Musk ! He who has offered to 'impregnate' ( a la Epstein ?) Taylor Swift. Remember what Hariri said about the human propensity and capacity for utter stupidity ... as well as intelligence.

J vN Sep 11, 2024, 04:48 PM

Some more completely unbiased and fair reporting from the Soros-funded DM. Nothing to see here, no bias, none of the usual extreme leftie drivel from an ultra-leftist such as Spector, no, sirree! Just the standard hagiopraphy to Cacklin' Kamel Hair, the worst US candidate in history. :-)

skermink Sep 11, 2024, 05:36 PM

Ah, so name calling is a political strategy now?

logan Sep 11, 2024, 08:24 PM

How much name calling of trump in the article by the journalist? Very biased journalism, but it is an opinion piece so wouldn’t expect anything less.

D'Esprit Dan Sep 11, 2024, 09:21 PM

Far less than Trump himself indulges in, when he's not lying through his teeth. A hopelessly bombastic braggard with nothing to offer the US or the rest of the world. He's lied and insulted his way to power and deserves every bit he gets back.

Malcolm McManus Sep 12, 2024, 07:11 AM

Kamala, has lied, giggled and slept her way to power. She doen't deserve, nor will she succeed as president. Together with Biden, USA is in trouble and they have both caused more harm than good. A pathetic debate and little to no substance coming from either of the two candidates.

Rod MacLeod Sep 11, 2024, 11:30 PM

Er, no - it's a news article, not an opinion piece. And where in the article are there factual inconsistencies? Everything said about the sentient naartjie is true.

Justikri Sep 12, 2024, 09:53 AM

Hope your eyes open to the truth oneday - trump isn't perfect no one is. But at least he stood for the USA and didn't start wars but rather brought peace!

John P Sep 12, 2024, 08:09 AM

What a well thought out and carefully crafted response quoting passages from the article and debunking them one by one - not.

Ed Rybicki Sep 12, 2024, 09:01 AM

Are you actually a Russian-funded troll? How could you have bought into the Trump myth so deeply, and still have a brain?? ?

Trenton Carr Sep 12, 2024, 10:10 AM

You have lost the plot, or never had it. Shame

Kid Charlemagne Sep 12, 2024, 10:40 AM

The babbling bluster of a psycho sycophant Trump troll. Construct a cogent argument, and readers will take you slightly seriously. Perhaps you meant, 'hagiography'

Bram M Sep 13, 2024, 07:57 PM

“Soros funded” - while the Clintons eat children on pizzas and the Rothschilds preside over Satanic paedophile cannibal orgies as Bill Clinton injects them with microchips. Give it a rest, you don’t have special insight, you’re just regurgitating patent fantasy.

Thomas Risi Sep 11, 2024, 06:44 PM

It doesn't matter what was said or done on the debate. If your a Trump person then he make perfect sence. If you belong to the other side then he's a bafoon. Elion Musk will confirm this.

Garry Southern Sep 11, 2024, 07:02 PM

I live in the USA I am puzzled as to why the fairly infantile comment by one JvN has been published Doesn’t the DM have a fact checking editor ?

J vN Sep 11, 2024, 07:25 PM

I, in turn, am laughing my head off at your typically woke attempt to silence dissent. So what are you suggesting? Because I offered a differing opinion, I should be cancelled. How woke of you...

D'Esprit Dan Sep 11, 2024, 09:24 PM

Yip, try and close down the debate using the 'woke' insult. Trump offers the square root of SFA to anyone other than his family and cronies; it's incomprehensible why anybody with an ounce of humanity would defend him.

J vN Sep 12, 2024, 08:27 AM

Clearly the woke shoe fits you.

Malcolm McManus Sep 12, 2024, 09:03 AM

amen, probably one of the frequent hissy fit, post rejectors.

D'Esprit Dan Sep 12, 2024, 10:15 AM

And there we go again. Stuck record with nothing to offer. And MM below - I've only rejected one comment on DM ever, for overt racism. I prefer free speech and the ability to engage on this site, but I've had plenty of comments rejected, usually because they criticise Trump or Steenzille.

Malcolm McManus Sep 12, 2024, 07:16 AM

Ja, this wokism is extremely contagious. Starts in delusion and ends up in blindness. And dare to criticize or offer an alternative opinion. My goodness, these lefties lose it. Exactly why Biden/ Harris try to suppress social media and freedom of speech.

jeff.pillay Sep 11, 2024, 07:57 PM

I live in SA & wondering why american blacks are still economically where they were 60yrs ago.

Sydney Kaye Sep 11, 2024, 10:43 PM

I'm wondering what that has to do with the debate, except that true to form as a MAGA (albeit a wannabe one) you tend towards white supremacy.

Kanu Sukha Sep 12, 2024, 03:05 PM

There are many white supremacists across the globe, including ones like Jeff and even Nikki Hailey ! What about Tim Scott (thinks Trump is his God) and that totally corrupt supreme court justice Clarence Thomas ? It all about ones' character/(King) values, and not the colour of your skin .

Malcolm McManus Sep 12, 2024, 07:54 AM

You should wonder more about the same in Africa. Is that a fact though?

Skinyela Sep 12, 2024, 07:54 AM

Because Republic of South Africa still has free speech...the right to freedom of expression.

Johann Olivier Sep 12, 2024, 12:11 PM

Agreed. JvN adds less than nothing. And by studying the gist & cadence of the comments, one can tell exactly where he/she/they fit in. I would still publish. Hang by his/her/their (!) own petard.

alastairmgf Sep 11, 2024, 08:59 PM

I’m surprised that Trump did not hammer home the fact that the Democrats, once the party of the workers, now represents the elite, whilst the Republicans are now the party of the working and middle class. The Dems are controlled by neo cons and are warmongers whilst Reps are essentially anti war.

D'Esprit Dan Sep 11, 2024, 09:27 PM

I'm sorry, but Trump simply wants to give billionaires and currency speculators huge tax breaks, whilst screwing over the working and middle classes with his massive taxes (import duties). Ultimately, Trump cares about Trump. Nothing else.

D'Esprit Dan Sep 11, 2024, 09:29 PM

The other point is Trump didn't hammer home anything because he was badly prepared and relied on lies and ego to bluster his way through. He got stuffed as a result. Hollow, bombastic and utterly incompetent, following a history of that in his business life.

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Sep 11, 2024, 10:14 PM

Trump is not a well person, and sadly any good points his policy may contain are completely drowned in his delusional quagmire.

Rodney Weidemann Sep 12, 2024, 09:54 AM

That was why it was the Republican government that invaded Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003, and committed their nation to two 20-year wars...because they're the anti-war party, I assume?

Marky Mark Sep 12, 2024, 12:52 PM

Wrong. Most Reps blindly endorse sending more bombs to Israel - the only party in that current conflict who can stop the war. Vs Dems who have the same view? How about Trump assassinating an Iranian leader in Iraq with a missile? Reps are conservative. That means "F the world, we want old school".

Andrew Newman Sep 12, 2024, 05:15 PM

Trump with all his missile attacks and drone strikes caused more civilian casualties than Obama. When Trump realized it, he revoked the rule to report estimated civilian casualties. Trump ordered 2,243 drone strikes till Trump ordered the DoD to stop reporting.

Andrew Newman Sep 13, 2024, 09:56 AM

The trade unions mostly support Kamala.

dbrosdurb Sep 12, 2024, 07:27 AM

Lol The daily Marxist rejected my comment as my comment criticized their total bias. Lol the Stasi are not happy. How dare you criticize the Daily Marxist! Lol. The media IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.

Peter Van Zyl Sep 12, 2024, 07:49 AM

Spot on there B.D.

Malcolm McManus Sep 12, 2024, 08:04 AM

Yep, the contagious wokist suppression of speech is starting to infect South Africa, (Even amongst woke DM commentators who reject anything anti woke). Just look at the world. UK are having a very serious dose of suppression of free speech at the moment. Once it starts, it spreads like wild fire.

Irene Baumbach Sep 12, 2024, 08:22 AM

Malcolm, your comment regarding Ms Harris (in response to D'Esprit Dan above) is everything but civil.

Malcolm McManus Sep 12, 2024, 09:21 AM

Its the truth. If the action is uncivil, it doesn't make the comment uncivil. Her partner of many years had a significant impact on getting her political positions and fast tracking her political career. Its common knowledge.

J vN Sep 12, 2024, 09:58 AM

This is of course the problem with the woke bunch. The factual truth leads to a meltdown on their behalf. Realizing that they've got no response, they fall back on calling the truth "uncivil", clearly wanting to suppress the truth and cancel the person telling the truth.

D'Esprit Dan Sep 12, 2024, 10:24 AM

Can you provide a shred of evidence that she slept her way to the top? One piece of evidence, not Trumpskin lies and deflection, but evidence.

Bram M Sep 13, 2024, 01:58 PM

J vN - "Factual truth"... "I do not think it means what you think it means". Facts are verifiable by objective standards of evidence. Like the evidence by which Trump was prosecuted. But you need the faculty for critical reasoning to understand the concept, absent in the average verkrampte.

John P Sep 12, 2024, 08:11 AM

???

endorest Sep 12, 2024, 07:41 AM

The "moderators" shamelessly took sides with Harris

Johan Buys Sep 12, 2024, 07:44 AM

Harris will secure almost ten million votes more than Trump. That might not be enough to win.

Ari Potah Sep 12, 2024, 09:52 AM

Following the debate in which David Muir and Linsey Davis employed an impressive strategy against former President Donald Trump, news broke that Democrats have decided to replace Kamala Harris on the ballot with the ABC moderators. (Babylon Bee)

Robert de Vos Sep 12, 2024, 10:13 AM

"The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the Axe, for the Axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them." - Turkish proverb.

Mortimer Lee Sep 12, 2024, 10:16 AM

With unlimited access to their Trumpian Trove of 'alternative facts' ... the "common knowledge" on show here is truly disturbing. How was mankind allowed to retrogress to such a sickening degree?? Or were these Trump-chumps just easier to tolerate before they had learned to use a cellphone?

Rodshep Sep 12, 2024, 10:27 AM

Gosh I'm so impressed at all you S Africans who seem to know soo much about American politics. But seem to be incapable of sorting out our own problems at home. But that's the way of the world yes. I personally endorse Harris, I think the world could be a better place with woman leaders.

Skinyela Sep 12, 2024, 11:39 AM

So the only reason is that "because she is a woman"? I guess that the 2nd, and last, reason is "because she is not Trump"

mfsw Sep 12, 2024, 10:31 AM

Sorry Brooks, if you call getting personal and labeling a good performance by Kamala Harris a good performance then you are as vacuous as she is. For her to repeat the outright lie about Trump saying said there would be bloodshed if he was not elected, and I seen the video, is a disgrace.

Indeed Jhb Sep 12, 2024, 11:22 AM

The debate was a anti-climax but did show that stress is getting to the Donald, he looks old and flat. Kept up his lie telly though, second nature? Harris lied once, no wonder he thinks he did well and beat her solidly +30 to 1. It is overwhelming!

Mart Sep 12, 2024, 01:15 PM

As an opinion piece J Brooks Spector is entitled to voice an opinion and published by DM for a fee. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion even if it is at polar opposites to reality, which is in of itself my opinion. There is nothing in this opinion that confirms anything I saw, so I discard it.

dexmoodl Sep 12, 2024, 01:34 PM

Comparing this debate with the Hilary Clinton debate , he got his clock cleaned. Watching the shocked look on faces of anchors from Fox and Newmax , they knew he blew it . Have to give credit to Harris ,she used his own playbook that he used against others and it worked .