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When it comes to Gaza, Israel has failed dismally on almost all fronts of the 'just war theory'

Everyone must avoid being deceived about Gaza — it’s not a fair war
When it comes to Gaza, Israel has failed dismally on almost all fronts of the 'just war theory' A March 2024 report by the UN Special Rapporteur, Francesca Albanese, after five months of military operations, noted that Israel had destroyed Gaza. At that point, 30,000 Palestinians had been killed, including more than 13,000 children. More than 12,000 were presumed dead and 71,000 injured, many with life-changing mutilations. Seventy percent of residential areas had been destroyed. Eighty percent of the population had been forcibly displaced. Thousands of families had lost loved ones or been wiped out. Albanese noted that thousands had been detained and systematically subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment. The incalculable collective trauma will be experienced for generations to come. By analysing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza, she concluded that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide has been met. She said Israel’s executive and military leadership and soldiers had intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, which govern how parties behave in armed conflict, subverting their protective functions to legitimise violence against Palestinians. Watching the continuing bombing of Gaza and the devastation of the buildings, hourly, on news channels is still horrific. Now, after more than eight months of bombing, Gaza has almost been completely obliterated and thousands have been killed – and there are still countries that won’t call for a ceasefire. The images of adults and young people running into damaged hospitals with young children covered in dust and blood don’t seem to disturb everyone. It’s a pity that so few South African theologians have spoken out publicly. The late Father Albert Nolan of the Catholic Church would have got people theologising – questioning and helping young people to think more critically about real-world issues like this. He may have got children to imagine that they are playing a game with rules to follow. These rules would ensure that everyone had fun and stayed safe. That’s a bit like the idea of the “just war theory,” which is a set of rules for countries when they want to go to war. The just war theory says there are rules to decide whether a war is fair or not. For example, a country needs a good reason to start a fight. Maybe another country is attacking it or treating people badly. Read more in Daily Maverick: Israel-Palestine War Before starting a war, countries should make every effort to sort out their problems. They should start by talking and negotiating to solve their problem. The fight should also be fair. For example, if one country only wants a small thing, it’s not fair for the other country to use too much force. In the traditional understanding of the just war theory, there are criteria used to assess whether a war is just. They include just cause, right intent, legitimate authority, overall benefit or likelihood of success, last resort, the proportional use of means and protecting noncombatants. Gaza is a place where there’s been continuing fighting between Israel and Palestine over several years. Historians will tell you that this goes back to the Nakba, the destruction, dispossession and displacement of Palestinians. Many have said Israel has a right to defend itself, which is part of the just war theory. But others say Israel is using too much force, which goes against the idea of proportionality in the theory. Nolan would argue that the just war theory helps us to think about whether the fighting in Gaza is fair or not. A just war is an idea that resorting to the use of armed force (jus ad bellum) is justified under certain conditions, but the theory reminds us that the use of such force (jus in bello) should also be limited in certain ways. [caption id="attachment_2260898" align="alignnone" width="2560"]Gaza war Protesters demonstrate against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his government i Tel Aviv on 29 June 2024. Anti-government protests have occurred weekly for months amid calls by many Israelis for Netanyahu to prioritise the return of hostages held in Gaza instead of the defeat of Hamas. (Photo: Amir Levy / Getty Images)[/caption] Ideally, for Israel to call its war “just”, it should meet all the criteria. The attack on 7 October 2023 can be seen as a legitimate cause to defend a country. Some people would argue that Israel had just cause and constitutes a legitimate authority. But Israel’s case is weaker concerning the other five criteria. Throughout this war, Israeli officials have said that their cause is just, that military operations against Palestinians is a matter of self-defence and survival. They still claim that Israel has the “most moral army in the world” that goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. Many different Israeli spokespeople have explained the killings of innocents to be the result of Hamas using civilians as human shields. Nolan would explain to young people that the just war theory is a Western concept that is rooted in classical Roman and biblical Hebraic culture and contains both religious and secular elements. The theory was developed during the Middle Ages as a by-product of church law and theology. The ideas originate from Roman law and the chivalric codes that governed battles. Israel has argued that Hamas has violated these principles, but this does not mean that Israel does not have to live up to these moral standards. The criterion of last resort is a key element in all just war considerations: that force should only be used when all other means have failed or would be ineffective. Israel has argued that it was reluctantly dragged into this war, but it has not looked seriously at using other means such as diplomacy. Proportionality of means is another element that must be upheld during combat. Israel seems to have failed dismally, as the evidence seen daily shows civilian casualties and damage in Gaza have exceeded any military advantage it has gained. The street protests around the world have underlined that the response has not been proportionate. A key principle of the just war theory promotes the preservation of human life and tries to avoid the loss of life. But this cannot be the case with so many innocent women and children being injured and killed. Israel’s response to all this death has been disappointing. Yoav Gallant, the defence minister, said: “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” A former prime minister, Naftali Bennett, said: “We’re fighting Nazis.” Another important element of the theory requires that all parties find solutions to the conflict as quickly as possible. This war has dragged out for more than eight months and finding solutions does not seem to be happening. The terrible situation in Gaza cannot be ignored and everyone must avoid being deceived. In reporting on the Eichmann trial, Hannah Arendt observed that the “German society of 80 million people had been shielded against reality and factuality by the same means, the same self-deception, lies and stupidity that had now become engrained in Eichmann’s mentality... “But the practice of self-deception had become so common, almost a moral prerequisite for survival, that even now, 18 years after the collapse of the Nazi regime, when most of the specific content of its lies has been forgotten, it is sometimes difficult not to believe that mendacity has become an integral part of the German national character.” DM Dr Mark Potterton writes in his personal capacity.  He is director of the Three2Six Refugee Education Project.

This story first appeared in our weekly Daily Maverick 168 newspaper, which is available countrywide for R35.

A March 2024 report by the UN Special Rapporteur, Francesca Albanese, after five months of military operations, noted that Israel had destroyed Gaza.

At that point, 30,000 Palestinians had been killed, including more than 13,000 children. More than 12,000 were presumed dead and 71,000 injured, many with life-changing mutilations. Seventy percent of residential areas had been destroyed. Eighty percent of the population had been forcibly displaced. Thousands of families had lost loved ones or been wiped out.

Albanese noted that thousands had been detained and systematically subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment. The incalculable collective trauma will be experienced for generations to come.

By analysing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza, she concluded that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide has been met. She said Israel’s executive and military leadership and soldiers had intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, which govern how parties behave in armed conflict, subverting their protective functions to legitimise violence against Palestinians.

Watching the continuing bombing of Gaza and the devastation of the buildings, hourly, on news channels is still horrific. Now, after more than eight months of bombing, Gaza has almost been completely obliterated and thousands have been killed – and there are still countries that won’t call for a ceasefire. The images of adults and young people running into damaged hospitals with young children covered in dust and blood don’t seem to disturb everyone.

It’s a pity that so few South African theologians have spoken out publicly. The late Father Albert Nolan of the Catholic Church would have got people theologising – questioning and helping young people to think more critically about real-world issues like this. He may have got children to imagine that they are playing a game with rules to follow. These rules would ensure that everyone had fun and stayed safe.

That’s a bit like the idea of the “just war theory,” which is a set of rules for countries when they want to go to war.

The just war theory says there are rules to decide whether a war is fair or not. For example, a country needs a good reason to start a fight. Maybe another country is attacking it or treating people badly.

Read more in Daily Maverick: Israel-Palestine War

Before starting a war, countries should make every effort to sort out their problems. They should start by talking and negotiating to solve their problem. The fight should also be fair. For example, if one country only wants a small thing, it’s not fair for the other country to use too much force.

In the traditional understanding of the just war theory, there are criteria used to assess whether a war is just. They include just cause, right intent, legitimate authority, overall benefit or likelihood of success, last resort, the proportional use of means and protecting noncombatants.

Gaza is a place where there’s been continuing fighting between Israel and Palestine over several years. Historians will tell you that this goes back to the Nakba, the destruction, dispossession and displacement of Palestinians. Many have said Israel has a right to defend itself, which is part of the just war theory. But others say Israel is using too much force, which goes against the idea of proportionality in the theory.

Nolan would argue that the just war theory helps us to think about whether the fighting in Gaza is fair or not.

A just war is an idea that resorting to the use of armed force (jus ad bellum) is justified under certain conditions, but the theory reminds us that the use of such force (jus in bello) should also be limited in certain ways.

Gaza war Protesters demonstrate against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his government i Tel Aviv on 29 June 2024. Anti-government protests have occurred weekly for months amid calls by many Israelis for Netanyahu to prioritise the return of hostages held in Gaza instead of the defeat of Hamas. (Photo: Amir Levy / Getty Images)



Ideally, for Israel to call its war “just”, it should meet all the criteria. The attack on 7 October 2023 can be seen as a legitimate cause to defend a country. Some people would argue that Israel had just cause and constitutes a legitimate authority. But Israel’s case is weaker concerning the other five criteria.

Throughout this war, Israeli officials have said that their cause is just, that military operations against Palestinians is a matter of self-defence and survival. They still claim that Israel has the “most moral army in the world” that goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. Many different Israeli spokespeople have explained the killings of innocents to be the result of Hamas using civilians as human shields.

Nolan would explain to young people that the just war theory is a Western concept that is rooted in classical Roman and biblical Hebraic culture and contains both religious and secular elements. The theory was developed during the Middle Ages as a by-product of church law and theology. The ideas originate from Roman law and the chivalric codes that governed battles.

Israel has argued that Hamas has violated these principles, but this does not mean that Israel does not have to live up to these moral standards.

The criterion of last resort is a key element in all just war considerations: that force should only be used when all other means have failed or would be ineffective. Israel has argued that it was reluctantly dragged into this war, but it has not looked seriously at using other means such as diplomacy.

Proportionality of means is another element that must be upheld during combat. Israel seems to have failed dismally, as the evidence seen daily shows civilian casualties and damage in Gaza have exceeded any military advantage it has gained. The street protests around the world have underlined that the response has not been proportionate.

A key principle of the just war theory promotes the preservation of human life and tries to avoid the loss of life. But this cannot be the case with so many innocent women and children being injured and killed.

Israel’s response to all this death has been disappointing. Yoav Gallant, the defence minister, said: “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” A former prime minister, Naftali Bennett, said: “We’re fighting Nazis.”

Another important element of the theory requires that all parties find solutions to the conflict as quickly as possible. This war has dragged out for more than eight months and finding solutions does not seem to be happening.

The terrible situation in Gaza cannot be ignored and everyone must avoid being deceived. In reporting on the Eichmann trial, Hannah Arendt observed that the “German society of 80 million people had been shielded against reality and factuality by the same means, the same self-deception, lies and stupidity that had now become engrained in Eichmann’s mentality...

“But the practice of self-deception had become so common, almost a moral prerequisite for survival, that even now, 18 years after the collapse of the Nazi regime, when most of the specific content of its lies has been forgotten, it is sometimes difficult not to believe that mendacity has become an integral part of the German national character.” DM

Dr Mark Potterton writes in his personal capacity.  He is director of the Three2Six Refugee Education Project.

This story first appeared in our weekly Daily Maverick 168 newspaper, which is available countrywide for R35.


Comments

John P Jul 9, 2024, 09:19 AM

It seems to me that Netanyahu and his right wing cronies have no intention of ending this war soon or of ensuring the release and safety of the hostages. Rather they are on a mission to destroy Gaza and it's people, to make it uninhabitable and to force it's inhabitants out as refugees into the rest of the Arab world. This of course will leave Gaza open to settlement and rebuilding by an expanding Jewish population. et Voila, no more Gaza problem, now just for those pesky West Bank Palestinians and mission accomplished.

marc36 Jul 23, 2024, 12:37 PM

Spoken like someone who has never been there. FYI there was once Jewish occupation of Gaza (voluntarily given up in 2005). Gaza is about as big as Soweto, and is densely populated coastal desert. Judea and Sameria is not an enclave, or comparable. Its a vast area of hills and valleys with lots of open spaces and scattered villages of Arabs and Jews (the Arabs aren't in love with each other either, they are ruled by clans and warlords, and the Jews have been living in those villages for centuries too - do some research). Nothing simple, and Israel isn't going to be ever be judenfrei John, despite your best wishes.

craig.ge Jul 9, 2024, 09:43 AM

You make the statement: " A key principle of the just war theory promotes the preservation of human life and tries to avoid the loss of life. But this cannot be the case with so many innocent women and children being injured and killed." While there is no room for error in the understanding that war is a blight on humanity, your article seems quite one sided and I was wondering what research you or anyone has done on the impact to and cost of war on the lives on the people (all races and religions) that live in Israel? Hamas state that they stand for the eradication of the Jewish nation - can you find any documented proof that this is an ideology of Israel or the Jewish people?

troyelanmarshall Jul 9, 2024, 10:41 AM

West Bank : the taking of land and the building of settlements? Israel's respective governments : always opposed to Palestinian statehood? Israel's electorate : vote for governments that oppose Palestinian statehood? btw - I don't believe the Israeli electorate speak for all Jewish people

troyelanmarshall Jul 9, 2024, 10:41 AM

West Bank : the taking of land and the building of settlements? Israel's respective governments : always opposed to Palestinian statehood? Israel's electorate : vote for governments that oppose Palestinian statehood? btw - I don't believe the Israeli electorate speak for all Jewish people

robertafox Jul 9, 2024, 12:23 PM

Just Saying - you truly are blind. Hamas long ago revised their constitution and has repeatedly said they recognise the right of Israel to exist. On the other hand, why dont you read the nation state law passed by the Israeli Parliament. It is only three pages and clearly says: 1 The realization of the right to national selfdetermination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People. And 6 The State shall strive to secure the welfare of members of the Jewish People and of its citizens, who are in straits and in captivity, due to their Jewishness or due to their citizenship. The State shall act in the Diaspora, to strengthen the affinity between the State and members of the Jewish People. [THUS MAKING IT CLEAR ISRAEL's PROPAGANDA STRATEGY IS INFLITRATING AND MOBILIZING JEWISH COMMUNITES. and, 7. The State views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value, and shall act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation. PUT TOGETHER THIS IS ISRAELI LAW TO ERADICATE PALESTINIAN VOICE AND PALESTINIAN RIGHTS IN ISRAEL 1000 TIMES WORSE THAN A DATED HAMAS STRATEGY DOCUMENT

markgcfriedman Jul 11, 2024, 12:03 AM

20% of Israelis are Muslim Arabs. How many Jews are allowed to live in the Arab Levant (look it up) those that weren't ethnically cleansed - pretty much all of them (again, look it up). Read up on the voluminous number of Arabs that do NOT live in Israel who wish they did as they have more freedom than any other Arab Muslim across the entire region. The "revisited" Hamas constitution somehow evades your own scrutiny including its leadership who have stated to whoever will listen that they will do Oct 7 over and over again and again. (So much for a constitution eh)

D Somebody Jul 14, 2024, 07:00 PM

ARE YOU SERIOUS?? 30,000 Palestinians had been killed, including more than 13,000 children. More than 12,000 were presumed dead and 71,000 injured, many with life-changing mutilations. Seventy percent of residential areas had been destroyed. Eighty percent of the population had been forcibly displaced. Thousands of families had lost loved ones or been wiped out. And you have the audacity to compare that to “the impact to and cost of war on the lives on the people (all races and religions) that live in Israel?” The emotional toll on these people must be devastating. The only way I see that you can make such a statement is that you agree with the the quote from Isreal’s minister of defence Yoav Gallant: “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.” Brutality is ok as long as it’s perpetrated against a Palistinian. Right?

Karl Sittlinger Jul 9, 2024, 01:01 PM

While there is no question that Israel has gone way to far with this war, and that it is clearly used as an excuse to "solve" the issue with the Palestinians, the attack on the 7th was clearly designed by Hamas to provoke this reaction. What did they expect when killing and raping young adults on a festival while chanting "from the river to the sea"? If you poke a bear hard enough, even if you think you have the right to poke him, he will eventually retaliate, and it's unlikely that when he does you can expect a measured response. While none of this excuses Netanyahu and his right wing buddies extreme action, I believe Hamas was counting on this reaction to force the issue and make Israel look unreasonable in the eyes of the international community, and hence they share blame for the horrible Palestinian death toll. A peaceful solution never was part of Hamas plan.

skyfriedri Jul 9, 2024, 01:30 PM

Peaceful solutions have never been entertained by the Israeli government. Every attempt at solving the root cause (Palestinian statehood and ending the oppression) has been torpedoed by the Israeli government, or vetoed by the US at Security Council meetings (go see how many resolutions against how Israel treats Palestinians - voted for by the majority, have so far been vetoed by the US - the champion of democracy). Oct 7 was horrible, but it certainly got the attention of the world regarding the illegal occupation and brutality of the racist Israeli regime.

Karl Sittlinger Jul 11, 2024, 09:15 AM

No argument from me against your view. But it doesn’t absolve Hamas either. That is the primary issue I see these days, most commentators seek to put all blame on one side, justifying the actions of the others. Hamas expected this reaction, they counted on it, and hence they to are in part responsible for the tens of thousands of Palestinians that died.

Paul T Jul 19, 2024, 06:01 AM

Ask yourself why Hamas exists and why they behaved in this way. Then go back and ask why the state of Israel exists and why they behave in this way. Spoiler alert, it wasn't the Palestinians who were the enemy, and it didn't start on October 7.

Karl Sittlinger Jul 19, 2024, 09:10 AM

While I in no way support what Israel is doing, justifying what Hamas did on the 7th is not going to fly for me. What did Hamas think was going to happen? In your words "Spoiler Alert", it definitely wasn't going to be to sit back and let it happen. Hamas planned the slaughter of their own.

Michael Cinna Jul 9, 2024, 01:22 PM

I don't have a bone to pick in this fight, but what interests me is the theory of war. By every measure - as per the research of Modern War Institute and the Urban Warfare thinktank - Israel in Gaza has set the Gold Standard for conducting effective war operations in one of the most densely populated areas in the war, whilst minimizing civilian causalities with an enemy that actively uses civilians and civilian assets to camouflage movements and assets. Anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of what its like on the ground within urban combat zones, knows full well the type of stats you'll see - Grozny, Fallujah, Stalingrad, Mariupol et al. Israel is winning the war, but Hamas is winning the PR war (which was always the goal). The longer the war continues, the worse it becomes for Israel. I don't have an allegiance or affinity with either sides - people fighting over imaginary celestial dictators battling it out over whose bigotry is divine, is nothing new. But as a fan of history and jut common sense, even hinting at comparing the Nationalist Socialists of the 20th century and devastation of WW2 to whats happening now in Israel, is completely disingenuous and false.

manicm Jul 12, 2024, 10:41 AM

Is Israel winning the war? Against who? The 38,000 Palestinian civilians killed? Hamas, like ISIS, is more an ideology, and they seem to be winning more than just a PR war. You need to re-think your theory on this war. Sure don't compare this to WW2, but it's genocidal all the same. Netanhayu is a fascist.

vermaak.andr Aug 4, 2024, 10:25 AM

Firstly you have been caught in the propaganda fly trap. The UN has revised the death toll number down quite a bit due to Hamas maths. Secondly Hamas is not an ideology it is an organisation with a structure and a manifesto wanting the eradication of Jews. Research the 1929 Hebron massacre.

vermaak.andr Aug 4, 2024, 10:39 AM

I love this one sided article throwing all hate on Israel. Saying they aren't following the laws of war or 'jus ad bellum' can't even spell it right. Then uses death toll figures that the UN has downgraded because they were found to be false. Nobody is throwing hate at Hamas for there mass murder.

manicm Jul 12, 2024, 10:41 AM

Is Israel winning the war? Against who? The 38,000 Palestinian civilians killed? Hamas, like ISIS, is more an ideology, and they seem to be winning more than just a PR war. You need to re-think your theory on this war. Sure don't compare this to WW2, but it's genocidal all the same. Netanhayu is a fascist.

Michael Cinna Jul 14, 2024, 09:44 AM

You're obviously very emotional on the subject - 38 000 is according to Hamas who don't distinguish between combatants and civilians. Should we take Russia's stats at face value or Ukraine's? Not sure you realize that by comparing ISIS to Hamas you're actually lending credence to my argument. Israel is winning the ground war, absolutely? Language matters, you can't call things fascist or genocidal if you don't know what those words mean. Otherwise the words becomes meaningless.

Michael Cinna Jul 14, 2024, 12:51 PM

And again, your response as well as the author shows that you don't know what the terms actually mean. Is Netanhayu a fascist or is he a national socialist? Those two terms have distinct differences. Give me a working definition of the term fascist and then support your claim that Netanhayu is fascist against your definition.

Kanu Sukha Jul 14, 2024, 01:50 PM

I would agree with the view of UN appointed investigator Albanese as to what is what ... rather than your attempt to muddy the water and score cheap points ... about which terms mean what ! Not unlike the conflation of anti-semitic and anti-zionist. Using 'appropriate' terms does not absolve Netanyahu's long hasbara history and genocidal tendencies/character. That there are many 'supporters' of such tendencies is unquestioned. The end results are the same.

C CMC Jul 15, 2024, 02:44 PM

We really going to mention Albanese who the UN is currently investigating for taking funds from Pro-Hamas Lobby groups...

David Jeannot Jul 15, 2024, 08:07 AM

Terrence, you have the most reasonable and most balanced outlook on this topic. It is refreshing to see and appreciated.

louw.nic Jul 18, 2024, 01:11 PM

Terrence B, these are all valid points, well argued and supported by facts. However, do not expect any rational discourse on this subject - here or elsewhere.

joules-airbase-0b Jul 9, 2024, 02:20 PM

Just as the world and the UN has failed on Palestinian terrorism and Islamic extremism. Somehow Palestinian collateral casualties resulting from a war they started are unacceptable but innocent deaths from bombs placed by Palestinians are. What hypocrisy. They are reaping the whirlwind, boo-hoo !

John P Jul 9, 2024, 03:53 PM

"Innocent deaths from bombs placed by Palestinians" are not acceptable and I have not seen anyone say otherwise. You however, somehow seem to think that the deaths and injuries of thousands of civilians including women and children are just fine. What hypocrisy on your part.

skyfriedri Jul 9, 2024, 04:48 PM

A war they started? Really? This has been going on for a lifetime. Oct 7 and the Israeli resultant action was just the latest in an endless fight for Palestinian freedom and land restitution, and the resulting Israeli and US oppression and revenge. If all that you see is the most recent tit-for-tat, then you are completely blind to the reasons that this has been going on for a lifetime. We ended MK terrorism in South Africa (I'm not sure if you are old enough to remember the posters with plastic replicas of limpet mines in our primary schools), by giving up on colonial, racist ideologies. Isn't it time for Israel to do the same, instead of insisting that the land they stole is for a certain group of people only?

Michael Cinna Jul 9, 2024, 06:05 PM

You are correct that its been going on for a lifetime, but you're entirely incorrect on everything else. The massacre of Hebron happened in 1929. The massacre of 37-38, also happened before the creation of the Israeli state. Let's stop pretending that the problems started in '48 or 67. Before Hamas, there was the PA. Before the PA, there was the PLO. Israel has been the only entity willing to engage on the Two State Solution. The Khartoum Resolution in 1967 of the Arab League has cemented the "foreign policy" of the Gaza strip - the 3 No's: No Peace with Israel. No Negotiation. No Recognition. Also, the creation of the Israeli state (as well as Trans-Jordan) was a result of the decolonisation project (strange seeing you say colonial, and probably settler, ideologies). Also, Israel is the only (albeit, with problems) state in the Middle East that practices and demonstrates democratic principles. Just like same sex-relations, Democracy is an anathema to the Middle East.

John P Jul 10, 2024, 08:37 AM

The 1948 declaration of Israel was only the conclusion of the colonial project that was driven by the Europeans supported by the USA since the 1890s. This was formalised by the Balfour Declaration of 1917. The large majority of Jews in Israel are of European descent and are not native to the area. Democracy in Israel is controlled by ensuring that most of the population is Jewish which was achieved by chasing out the original occupants of the land and flooding in hundreds of thousands of foreign Jews. Include ALL of Palestine and then have one man one vote and only then could you call this a true democracy.

Michael Cinna Jul 10, 2024, 03:48 PM

By that logic Syria, Transjordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iraq (post WW2), Egypt, Tunisia are all creations of colonial projects. I don't think you mean to play nativist games because we tried that last century and didn't go down well. Again, by that logic, the entirety of the Middle East should be emptied as they are not native to that land (because if you follow your logic, it never ends). The "original habitants" argument is so tired by now and it just makes you sound like a national socialist from the 20th century. I never said it was a true democracy - in fact, if you read properly I said Israel is the only state (albeit with problems) that practices and demonstrates democratic principles. Also, there is no such thing as true democracy. If we had true democracy we would be living in a majoritarian hellhole.

C CMC Jul 15, 2024, 02:49 PM

The largest Jewish ethnic group in Israel, about 40% to 45% of the country's total population, is called Mizrahi, which means “Eastern” in Hebrew. Mizrahi Jews' ancestors hailed from Jewish communities in the Middle East, including Israel itself. Many of those fled persecution in the middle east... This is a holy war for most arabs... yet you talk of politics.

skyfriedri Jul 10, 2024, 08:38 AM

Some interesting information I didn't know, thank you. However, from what I've read, I struggle to find evidence (other than propaganda from Israel itself) to back up your claim of "Israel has been the only entity willing to engage on the Two State Solution", in fact the opposite. You fail to mention the Catastrophe (Nakba), which I think plays foremost in a lot of minds. Democracy? In a Jewish state? Really? You seem to come from a viewpoint of "They hate us, for some reason that I just can't put my finger on". Try putting your finger on it though - terrorism doesn't come from simple hatred of a certain group of people. It's actions and policies that give birth to such extremism. And unless addressed, it will continue. I don't think everyone is pulling their weight as they should.

Michael Cinna Jul 10, 2024, 03:40 PM

Well I'm using Britannica (unless thats become Jewish propaganda as well?) as a source - this is an extract from the Camp David Accords on Britannica.com: The United Nations (UN) voted in 1947 to partition Great Britain’s Palestine mandate—to be established were a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an independent Jerusalem under a UN trusteeship. Arabs opposed partition. When the mandate ended on May 15, 1948, and Israel proclaimed its independence, the first Arab-Israeli war erupted. No separate state for Arab Palestinians (i.e., Palestinians) was established. Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip along the Mediterranean Sea, and Jordan assumed sovereignty over the territory between Israel’s eastern border and the Jordan River (the West Bank), including East Jerusalem. During the Six-Day War of June 1967, Israel occupied those territories as well as the Golan Heights—a patch of Syrian land on Israel’s northeastern border—and Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula. Following his election as U.S. president, Carter committed himself to working toward a comprehensive Middle East peace settlement based on UN Resolution 242 (November 1967), which called for the withdrawal of Israel from the occupied territories, Arab recognition of and peace with Israel (stipulations that the Arab states had refused to agree to), and a just settlement to the problem of Palestinian refugees displaced by the establishment of Israel and the 1967 war. "Terrorism doesnt come from simple hatred of a certain group of people" - my man, did you just wake up yesterday. The entirety of human history is filled with violence by people who simply hate the "the other". Just cast an eye into the 20th century.

skyfriedri Jul 10, 2024, 06:53 PM

Terence, the entire history of the world is riddled with conflict, yes, but contrary to your indoctrination, very little of it is simply "hatred of the other", it is just portrayed as such. Remember; history is written by the victors. The troubles in Northern Ireland wasn't about religion, it was about land being controlled by outsiders. South Africa's own troubles have been about the same thing (or why aren't we having bomb scares at school every 3 months anymore?). Were the allies in WW2 fighting because they hate Germans? No. These are human beings, who's lives, and parents' lives, and their parents' lives, have been reduced to prisoners, where almost everyone has family members killed by the oppressors. It's medieval, and just wrong in 2024. 38000 killed so far, plus those in the occupied West Bank, and in prison, in the time it takes for a baby to be gestated. Nothing justifies this. Nothing. As horrific as Oct 7 was, it cannot justify killing 30 times the amount of civilians. Eventually someone with metaphorical balls of steel will pull a Reagan and say "Tear Down This Wall!", but until then, the IDF will continue to reduce the "enemy"'s population as much as it can get away with, so that when one-person-one-vote eventually happens, it is still a Jewish majority. Imagine that happening in another country where the tables are turned? .. oh wait, yes, WW2...

Rodney Weidemann Jul 15, 2024, 10:38 AM

Israel has been building settlements in the West Bank and occupied territories for decades, despite these being deemed illegal by the UN - they have been pushing a colonial/settler agenda since at least 1967...

markgcfriedman Jul 11, 2024, 12:07 AM

This is not a war about land. it is a religious war. Hamas and their other proxies (aka Iran) want the extermination of Jews and their elimination from the Ummah. An accord from a ceasefire to a two state solution is ephemeral with a group of people who call themselves Palestinians an entirely KGB driven fiction invented to give succour to Arafat whereas prior to the partition, Jordan and Egypt controlled the lands in contention yet nary a whisper...but along come Jews and hey presto. It is naked race hate hence my opening comment Dont be duped

Caroline Rich Jul 14, 2024, 11:13 AM

Spot on!

Kanu Sukha Jul 14, 2024, 02:09 PM

Right ! You've been duped by the zionist hasbara ... liberally spread thick by the 'mainstream' media.

abriseposbus Jul 24, 2024, 11:12 AM

That’s a real cute mainstream fairytale point of view you hold. Of course the war is about land, as all wars are about resources. No wars are ever purely about ideology - that’s an idiotic thing to think. Palestinians don’t hate jews, they only hate land thieving (settling) terrorist scum.

Rodney Weidemann Jul 15, 2024, 10:34 AM

How many wars in history have been started by women and children? Yet you find tens of thousands of their deaths an acceptable form of revenge, because some radical men planned a terrorist act - who is the real hypocrite here?

skyfriedri Jul 10, 2024, 06:10 PM

As usual, this has become a story of people on one side saying "others do similar or worse things, especially in the area, so don't blame Israel for doing it too" or "Why can't you see it's all just other's hating us, not what we do to them and their families?" While the other side says "It isn't 1666 anymore. No country should discriminate against anyone based on religion. Equality or endless terrorism." While the US rubs their hands and says "Look, we apply the rules equally, just some people are more equal than others, and as long as there's turmoil where there's oil, we're in charge". Sigh. People are dying. Being killed. Children. Women. It Cannot Be Justified Anymore!

markgcfriedman Jul 10, 2024, 11:59 PM

Your comment: "...March 2024 report by the UN Special Rapporteur, Francesca Albanese, after five months of military operations, noted that Israel had destroyed Gaza..." renders the rest of your article worthless. Albanese, who has a chronic and shockingly conspiratorial history of antisemitic comments and anti-Israel bias has made remarks not only justifying Hamas’s October 7 massacre, is actually an outside contractor and does not speak for the United Nations. She has faced calls by a bipartisan group of US Congress members to be fired for her role due to her antisemitism and anti-Israel bias. The Times of Israel exposed Albanese’s history of antisemitism in an ongoing investigation. Albanese said that the “Jewish lobby” was in control of the United States. She has also sympathized with terror organizations, dismissed Israeli security concerns, compared Israelis to Nazis, accused the Jewish state of potential war crimes, said Israel controlled the BBC, and claimed that the Jewish state started wars out of greed. Israel has criticized Albanese after she and other UN-mandated rights experts said that Palestinians in war-battered Gaza were “at grave risk of genocide.” In a statement on October 14, literally a week after innocent Jews were gang raped, murdered tortured and burned alive by savage Hamas thugs, she accused Israel of aiming to ethnically cleanse Gaza, while not even mentioning the Hamas attack on Israel. Albanese was banned from Israel in February after she denied that the October 7 massacre was motivated by a hatred of Jews and claimed it was “in response to Israel’s oppression.” A US official told AFP that Washington was “aware” of Albanese’s report and seen the ample evidence that refutes the accusations of genocide in Gaza, as has the ICJ despite their words being wilfully misconstrued She is little more than a racist shill and your weaselly words do not dispel that. Yet you choose to root your op ed mired in this arrant trash?

John P Jul 11, 2024, 08:12 AM

So in a nutshell Albanese says and does things that Israel does not like and therefore is antisemitic and cannot be trusted. If she is "an outside contractor" how can she be facing calls by "a bipartisan group" to be fired? Your sources of information seem to be only from Israel or those who support Israel, perhaps you should cast your net wider in which case you are unlikely to be as comfortable with Israel's actions as you currently seem to be.

Esskay Esskay Jul 11, 2024, 05:02 PM

Good response GC - Albanese is a known anti-semite, not just someone who criticizes Israel. The article is a childish and simplistic summation of an incredibly difficult situation. Hamas got much more than anticipated, they thought Israel would be forced into a ceasefire quickly, leaving their terror infrustructure intact to continue fighting another day. Israel is fighting Hamas and it is not a war against the Palestinians.

John P Jul 12, 2024, 08:59 AM

Israel may be "fighting Hamas" but they are destroying hundreds of thousands of Palestinian lives.

Rodney Weidemann Jul 15, 2024, 10:47 AM

"...it is not a war against the Palestinians." Tell that to the tens of thousands of dead women and children in Gaza...

C CMC Jul 15, 2024, 02:55 PM

As Sinwar was quoted as saying "The death of Gazans is a necessary sacrifice" Tell that to the thousands of dead woman and children in Gaza

leon.stats.prinsl Jul 12, 2024, 11:35 AM

As the saying goes "you reap what you sow" Palestinians have destroyed their children's future by supporting mass murderers. When Germans supported the mass murdering Nazis the US, UK and Russia flattened the entire country with aerial bombs. You reap what you sow.

Rodney Weidemann Jul 15, 2024, 10:51 AM

And most historians today would agree that instances such as the firebombing of Dresden by the Allies - with the subsequent deaths of over 100 000 civilians and refugees - should have been considered a war crime (but the 'victors' seldom face punishment for their crimes). I would suggest that the murder of tens of thousands of women and children in Gaza should be regarded in the same light as the Dresden massacre...

joules-airbase-0b Jul 12, 2024, 10:09 PM

Just as Hamas has failed on being a liberation organisation and Islam a religion of peace !

D Somebody Jul 13, 2024, 05:17 PM

ARE YOU SERIOUS?? 30,000 Palestinians had been killed, including more than 13,000 children. More than 12,000 were presumed dead and 71,000 injured, many with life-changing mutilations. Seventy percent of residential areas had been destroyed. Eighty percent of the population had been forcibly displaced. Thousands of families had lost loved ones or been wiped out. And you have the audacity to compare that to "the impact to and cost of war on the lives on the people (all races and religions) that live in Israel?" The emotional toll on these people must be devastating. The only way I see that you can make such a statement is that you agree with the the quote from Isreal's minister of defence Yoav Gallant: “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly." Brutality is ok as long as it's perpetrated against a Palistinian. Right?

D Somebody Jul 14, 2024, 07:03 PM

Sorry, this comment seems out of context here. Was meant as a reply to Just Saying 9 July 2024 at 09:43

beaufordcharsley Jul 14, 2024, 06:03 AM

The author is right on many counts. However, there is no doubt extreme loyalty displayed by the Palestinian people (or total fear of Hamas) in their continued capacity to protect and hide members of Hamas, at the risk of their own lives. The choice is, destruction of their families and livelihoods by Hamas , or by the IDF . Hamas give no warning and there is no adverse world reaction when Hamas use their force on their own people, or even use them as shields. Plenty against Israel.

Sydney Kaye Jul 14, 2024, 10:19 AM

"For example, if one country only wants a small thing, it’s not fair for the other country to use too much force". Would you say that the total eradication of Israel, which is what Hamas wants is "only a small thing"?

P C Hem Jul 20, 2024, 08:40 AM

If Hamas had not invaded Israel on October 7th and raped, murdered and kidnapped thousands of people, there would have been no war. Hamas want war.

Sydney Kaye Jul 20, 2024, 12:37 PM

“We’re fighting Nazis.” Are you really? Answer: YES They may not be wearing knee length boots and wearing swastika armbands but their mission is to eradicate the Jews So yes, they qualify as Nazis

Lil Mars Jul 21, 2024, 10:23 AM

By quoting Francesca Albanese, a vile anti-semite, the article lost any credibility from the get-go.

André Pelser Jul 22, 2024, 03:44 PM

The justification of violence in conflict between individuals, groups and states is a complex issue. In the international sphere, as on the individual level, the right to self defence is well established, with due regard to the principle of proportionality. This concept has been expanded to include pre-emptive strikes to ward off an impending threat although the evidentiary aspect is more often than not suspect - the WMDs in the Iraqi war comes to mind. Civilian casualties, victims of so-called collateral damage, is the contentious issue, besides the scale of the IDF response. Clearly there are radical elements in the Arab world and Iran that want to eradicate the state of Israel, there are also radical elements in Israel that want to remove all Palestinians from what they regard as their ancient lands - i.a, the West Bank. The current war on Hamas, also a war on Gaza, is more retribution than proportionate response. terrorism is often portrayed as a revolutionary swimming in the sea of the people he or she are fighting for - freedom being the justification for violence against an oppressor and protection by people. It seems that Israel believes that Palestinians in Gaza will eventually reject Hamas, but one cannot see this being practicable, even if Hamas ceases to exist as an organisation there will be another that will take its place. The two-state proposal is unsustainable as long as Palestinians feel that they are being treated unjustly. Israelis will not be able to sleep peacefully until Jews and Muslims are are equal partners in that territory. A just solution will dispel the arguments about whether the war is just. As many have pointed out, there is no acceptable justification of Hiroshima, the Holocaust, the Dresden bombings, the October 7 atrocity or deaths of thousands of Gazan citizens. The conflict will only end when Jews and Muslims agree to co-exist and the necessary structures and agreements that underpin this are put in place.

Karl Sittlinger Jul 23, 2024, 10:14 AM

An excellent and only slightly biased viewpoint on the history of the area we call Gaza and Israel now can be found by Googling "Medium Who Has Claim? 3000 Years of Religion in the Land Between". Since DM now somehow believes we can have fruitful discussions with 300 chars, best I can do.

joules-airbase-0b Jul 22, 2024, 07:17 PM

So sad, boo hoo.