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Chaos Is The Point: Zuma’s empty and violent rhetoric aims to hurt South Africa’s democracy

While the political choices of 68% of South Africa’s voters are represented in the new coalition government, the leader of the biggest group that is not represented, former president Jacob Zuma, has again made multiple threats. His ‘statement to the nation’ on Sunday again reveals his obsession with, and perhaps hatred of, President Cyril Ramaphosa.
Chaos Is The Point: Zuma’s empty and violent rhetoric aims to hurt South Africa’s democracy

uMkhonto Wesizwe (MK) leader Jacob Zuma’s address on Youth Day was his first public response to the formation of the new coalition government and the National Assembly’s election of Cyril Ramaphosa for another term as President late on Friday night.

Zuma stated: 

“uMkhonto Wesizwe is of the strong view that the 2024 elections were rigged and that the results announced by the IEC are not a true reflection of the will of the people. Before and after the results, we have presented concrete evidence to the IEC showing widespread irregularities in the voting process and the voting system. It has all fallen on deaf ears.”


Zuma is far from the truth. 

His party has not presented any evidence of “vote-rigging”. Even in legal papers supporting the party’s court challenge to the National Assembly sitting on Friday, it claimed that it had evidence the election results were not correct, but that it would not provide the evidence “at this stage”.

The MK spokesperson, Nhlamulo Ndhlela, has refused to provide any evidence to back up what his party says, despite many opportunities to do so.

The only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that MK has no evidence, that the evidence does not exist and that they are deliberately lying.

Accordingly, Zuma’s claims that they will go to international courts will also fall flat.

Evidence matters. 

MK has displayed none.

‘Roman and Dutch people’


This leads to Zuma’s attack on our legal system (MK states in its manifesto that there should not even be a Constitution and that Parliament should be sovereign, the final decision-maker in everything). 

Zuma appeared to say in his prepared statement that SA’s legal system “cannot be the best if it has eyes to choose who does not be suitable to Roman and Dutch people [sic], but not for us as Africans”.

Again, this is about his claim that the legal system is biased against him.

However, it should not be forgotten that historically the “law” has never really worked for black people in SA. First, were the colonial laws, followed by the laws of apartheid. While the current system is supposed to fundamentally change that, the lived experience of many black people is that police officers abuse their powers and still use violence against them.

This is why Zuma attacks the law so often, as he knows that for most people listening to him, the law has not only not worked for them, but often worked against them. That he was president and head of the state while this happened was conveniently unimportant for this argument.

His closing comments will also have a strong resonance. He quoted the founders of the original, ANC-inspired Umkhonto weSizwe, whom, he said, in 1961 stated, “There comes a time in the life of any nation where there remain only two choices: submit or fight.” 

Obsession and vendetta


Zuma appears to be obsessed with Ramaphosa, claiming the apartheid government “regimes could not have lasted even one day without black collaborators such as Ramaphosa”.

First, on the historical record, his claim cannot be substantiated. Ramaphosa spent several months in solitary confinement and was interrogated by apartheid agents. He has explained these events in Parliament. Biographers have referred to it, and there is nothing in the historical record to suggest that what Zuma claims is true.

Second, if this was true, why then did Zuma ask Ramaphosa to be the deputy leader of the ANC in 2012 (at the suggestion of Ace Magashule), and then appoint him Deputy President? 

Again, this is about his vendetta against the person who defeated his side at the ANC’s 2017 conference and then worked him out of power in 2018. (For those who doubt the depths of Zuma’s feelings on this, it is worth viewing, again, his reaction to the 2017 ANC conference leadership results as caught by the journalist Nickolaus Bauer.

This may be causing him to make decisions that are less than rational.

For example, in his address on Sunday, he confirmed that MK would “soon occupy its seats in the National Assembly”.

Already, on Saturday, MK MPs were sworn in to the National Council of Provinces. This followed the party’s statement that its members would not take the oath in the National Assembly as a protest against the election results. But they did occupy their seats in the provincial legislatures around the country.

Nothing was achieved by the decision to boycott one sitting while attending all of the others.

So then, why was it done? What was the point?

At the same time, there are already indications that the MK caucus in the KwaZulu-Natal legislature will be less than unified. It’s been reported that several members of the party “traded blows” over who would represent the party in that chamber, ahead of Friday’s first sitting.

Considering that the party’s former interim secretary-general Sihle Ngubane has said that every decision about the party’s lists was made by Zuma and that this has now been disputed by the Nhlamulo, there might well be more confusion to come.

‘Progressive Caucus’


One of the most important questions about our new political era is how the opposition parties, those outside the governing coalition, will work together. 

Zuma appears to believe that the new (seriously misnamed) “Progressive Caucus” will be a single unified voice in opposition to this government.

This is unlikely.

First, the biggest party in this group, after MK, is the EFF. And Zuma and EFF leader Julius Malema have never been able to work together. (While Ramaphosa chaired the appeals committee that expelled Malema, it was Zuma who started that process.)

Second, several of these parties may be vulnerable to temptation and the ANC could still invite them into the new coalition.  

Third, this all presupposes that the MK caucus itself will be able to work together. It is not even clear at this stage who will lead this caucus. 

At the weekend, the Sunday Times reported that several parties had received phone calls from different people all claiming to represent Zuma in coalition negotiations, with the result that it was not able to form coalitions with anyone.

All of this suggests there is instability in the party.

While Zuma may now have decided to go to the National Assembly, he also said, “We will therefore at the right time call on our people to demonstrate their dissatisfaction against all these injustices, peacefully, in the streets, in the courts and even in Parliament, until our grievances have been addressed.” 

While this is not in itself a threat of violence, the fact the SA Police Service has sent so many police officers to KZN (more were sent over the weekend — before Zuma’s address) suggests the authorities are taking no chances.

Hanging over all of Zuma’s comments is the 2021 violence. It is that horrific and chaotic week, when so many people died after he was arrested, which gives a sense of dread to his every move.

Remove that, and the claims of vote-rigging and the angry personal nature of his attacks on Ramaphosa all sound hollow, as empty as the rest of his rhetoric.

South Africa’s politics is realigning itself fundamentally. Much may still change, and those who move quickly and rationally can benefit.

But making rational choices will be crucial. 

MK may find itself losing out in the long term because of the unstrategic choices it is making at this moment. Unless everything — as so many times before with Zuma — is about chaos and mayhem. DM

Comments

Paddy Ross Jun 18, 2024, 12:52 AM

It is the Regressive Caucus, not progressive.

District Six Jun 18, 2024, 01:06 AM

"The moral arc of the universe is long..." but eventually it will nail each and every oxygen-thief.

chessf Jun 18, 2024, 11:26 AM

What goes around, comes around. This evil individual will get his just deserts. It's just a matter of time I feel.

heinrich787 Jun 18, 2024, 02:33 PM

Precisely!

Kevin Venter Jun 18, 2024, 03:00 AM

I think it is going to be become the Raucous Caucus. I only hope that the law is firmly applied to any of these troublemakers. I cannot believe the longevity that he has enjoyed in the ANC while creating an environment for so much corruption. I guess passengers on the gravy train don't complain.

Philemon Solomon Jun 18, 2024, 04:57 AM

You are wrong Stephen. Evidence does not matter. They do not need to prove anything. They only want/need a narrative. There is a lot of logic in your article, which is true and many of us will understand. But again, they don't need logic, they only want/need a narrative. The only thing they want is power, so they can rob and pillage. They will do it by any means necessary. Do not be fooled to think actions are irrational, they are most certainly very well planned. While we need to live in hope for this new turn of events in our history, we need to at the same time not bury our heads in the sand as to this very real threat to our democracy.

geoffry.heald Jun 18, 2024, 06:32 AM

Wise words worth reflecting about very carefully. They capture Zuma’s essential stratagem,

D'Esprit Dan Jun 18, 2024, 08:20 AM

Absolutely spot on - identical to Trump in the US with his claims of vote rigging, which he hasn't been able to offer any evidence of. It's just about the narrative, and absolutely no different to every other undemocratic loser miffed at having lost his seat on the gravy train.

Sydney Kaye Jun 18, 2024, 08:43 AM

You are right that evidence doesn't matter. In today's world you only need to say it for it to be true to willing ears. In the US half the population believed or pretended to believe the same story, because it suited them.

Malcolm McManus Jun 18, 2024, 12:44 PM

True, Its of growing concern how people no longer seem to have the ability to distinguish between fact and delusion. The US is a prime example in many ways. Evidently many people there cant distinguish between male and female, nor between human or dog. What went so horribly wrong with people?

hlavatican Jun 18, 2024, 05:42 AM

The best dancers knows when to leave the stage. The worst dancers want to be rembered about their longevity on the stage. They won't go.

Jeff.pill Jun 18, 2024, 07:09 AM

So a man that can create the 3rd biggest political in 6 months must leave the stage so that the predominantly white DA can co govern the black majority. The DA got less actual votes but R165m buys them seats in government to protect their sponsors.

Willem Boshoff Jun 18, 2024, 07:27 AM

LOL how will the "white DA" govern the "black majority" if they have a smaller representation than the ANC in the GNU? You have a case of acute race obsession Mr Pillay.

Ben Hawkins Jun 18, 2024, 07:43 AM

Kak

Johan Buys Jun 18, 2024, 07:53 AM

Facts matter Jeff : the DA received 50% more votes than former prisoner zuma. I for one don’t want him to leave the stage. By taking his faction outside the ANC he removed most of the problems from what in reality remains the governing party. We should applaud him!

graemebirddurban Jun 18, 2024, 01:15 PM

Absolutely! JZ's participation was a blessing in disguise that has given Ramaphosa the tools to overrule (and hopefully banish) the corrupt members that have led us down the path of despair.

Rae Earl Jun 18, 2024, 07:54 AM

What utter crap. The DA is not 'predominantly white' and has no desire to govern any specific race or political group. It wants merely to team up with the ANC and other parties to reset SA's moral compass on a sound footing of honesty and good governance. Comments like this do little to forge unity.

John P Jun 18, 2024, 08:08 AM

Twisted logic there, the DA is only a part of the predominantly black government. Furthermore the DA received more votes from black people than from white, just look at the numbers.

Alan Jeffrey Jun 18, 2024, 08:13 AM

How ANYBODY would want JZ to represent them is truly astonishing. One would need to be delusional to think that Zuma/ MK could ever achieve anything other than a Zim type destruction of SA. Ask any of the 2 million Zimbos who have sought survival in SA, why they are here and not back home?

Malcolm McManus Jun 18, 2024, 08:14 AM

Please provide evidence that the DA bought seats in parliament. The way I see it, and contrary to my expectations the results of this election seem to prove the elections were very free and fair. If they were not, the ANC should have been the biggest beneficiary surely. Drop the racial chip.

Middle aged Mike Jun 18, 2024, 09:28 AM

One untruth per sentence. Impressive even before being seasoned with a dash of racism.

Allergic-to-ignorance - Jun 18, 2024, 09:37 AM

I think Jeff is a bot. Jeff, can you click on all the pictures containing traffic lights?

betsy Kee Jun 18, 2024, 12:59 PM

That brought a smile to my face!!

J C Jun 18, 2024, 10:11 AM

Troll

Nick Griffon Jun 18, 2024, 11:14 AM

Calling DA predominantly white is disingenuous and ignorant. The DA got ±22% of the national vote. Only ±7% of SA population is white. Of that 7%, quite a large chunk voted for the FF+ and other parties. Hence, it is safe to say that the majority of DA votes came from non-white South Africans.

Cachunk Jun 18, 2024, 11:33 AM

If you feel like throwing up, read the "opinionista" of ismail lagardien in today's DM. What an insecure, bitter, pathetic piece. Jeff, you'll love it.

chessf Jun 18, 2024, 11:37 AM

The only good thing comrade Zuma did was to obtain enough votes to ensure the ANC got less than 51%. For this and this alone we are grateful. This has paved the way for an alliance (not GNU), so that at last we will have the checks and balances to reverse the damage of 30 years of ANC (mis)rule.

jbest67 Jun 18, 2024, 05:49 AM

A vibrant democracy needs leaders like JZ who will gnaw at the root of the matter. Challenges to the credibility of our political and economic institutions is extremely important in order to reinforce their strength and so forth. IEC is able to get a feedback on it's processes and procedures etc.

Jeff.pill Jun 18, 2024, 07:20 AM

Yes, the IECs creditability must be challenged. They have not provided reasons why their systems failed during this signification event. Look at the IECs election dashboard, you'll see the AIC got less votes but a greater %age than COPE. Justifies MKs claims of vote riggings

Malcolm McManus Jun 18, 2024, 07:22 AM

Not really. In this case Jacob Zuma has no root of any matter to gnaw at. He is just trying to disrupt. So ignoring something that isn't there, makes the IEC very credible and mature enough not to make themselves a mockery at entertaining Zumas delusions. No facts or evidence. No investigation.

geoffrey.luyu Jun 18, 2024, 07:45 AM

a thief like JZ only gnaws at what he can grab

D'Esprit Dan Jun 18, 2024, 08:22 AM

Zuma is not 'gnawing at the root of the matter' - he is lying through his teeth. Democracies need strong opposition, absolutely: a band of serial liars out to line their pockets does not constitute this.

Allergic-to-ignorance - Jun 18, 2024, 09:42 AM

James, what is your definition of a "leader"? Do you see his "feedback" on the IEC processes and procedures as coherent, credible and unbiased?

Middle aged Mike Jun 18, 2024, 09:44 AM

What utter twaddle.

graemebirddurban Jun 18, 2024, 01:33 PM

Sad that we need 'leaders' like that. But true!

Steve Davidson Jun 18, 2024, 06:24 AM

We can only hope that the so-called populists, like Trump and Zuma, get the same sort of snotklap as that horrible little man Modi got in India just now.

neilbenjaminmus Jun 18, 2024, 06:35 AM

I wonder how he feels for about being responsible for the ANC's majority loss and getting into bed with its GNU associates while they're plotting on the fringes. Do we thank him for inadvertently forming, potentially, the most progressive, economically stable and inclusive government to date?

Malcolm McManus Jun 18, 2024, 07:26 AM

Absolutely. Zuma in his greed to feed at the trough once again, has done us all the best favor since 1994, whilst fencing himself off from the trough. Whoever financed this mess called the MK, must be more bitter than Zuma.

Jane Crankshaw Jun 18, 2024, 07:45 AM

And there lies the question - who IS financing MK? I suspect we would be shocked to know the truth as it would be more about religion than political values!

Jean Racine Jun 18, 2024, 08:38 AM

What religion? There aren't that many adherents of the Russian Orthodox Church in SA!

janetteklein.za Jun 18, 2024, 11:52 AM

I get your point !!

Stuart Hulley-Miller Jun 18, 2024, 07:27 AM

You bring up a most important aspect of this. Thank you. Below, to endorse your comment, one of mine from a few days ago. Juju wants to be, and I think will be, President of SA…… one day. I don’t like the idea but I think he will be. Currently he has realised that his initial modus operandi is out of sync and expired. He will move to his next part of his plan. He will gradually consolidate his political position and if all goes well, rejoin the ANC …. Not sure in what form, most probably in 2029. By then the ANC’s Cyril would have consolidated and strengthened it to a point where they and the EFF can go it alone.. this may happen before then. I have great faith in Cyril and always have had …. His so called indecision etc etc has been clever politicking out of necessity to survive. I think and hope that he will succeed. I don’t like the Juju idea.

Jane Crankshaw Jun 18, 2024, 07:51 AM

I agree with your observations. Politics is a waiting game and South Africa’s majority is too big and too behind to be satisfied by First World values and thinking. The end of CR’s tenure will be, I suspect, the reality of where we are currently heading.

thabaafrica Jun 18, 2024, 11:29 AM

From my assessment of the elections and the results and subsequent actions, an educated leader who will appeal to the majority needs to start now, the ground is easily swayed by propaganda, hence the strength of MK. The EFF could not take it because they monger fear more than anything else and even the majority sees through it too. Until we get into a habit of community caucuses where we identify with an organization that resonates with the masses. How can we advocate for a non-racial society whilst parties are still built on racial dogmas? our society is still greatly racially influenced and the fact that there isn't a party that is having the race chat? 2029 IS FAR, but that should be our conversation moving forward. Let us unashamedly discuss our differences so that we may map an authentic future inclusive of the entire Republic, as I humbly submit.

Thinker and Doer Jun 18, 2024, 12:57 PM

Thank you very much, I certainly agree! The work for the 2026 local government elections and the 2029 national elections definitely needs to start now.

Middle aged Mike Jun 18, 2024, 10:07 AM

Faith that dollar couch guy would do what exactly? I assumed he was as skelm as the rest of his comrades but enormously underestimated him.

Ian Gwilt Jun 18, 2024, 08:21 AM

This logic will be lost on him

Allrite Jack Jun 18, 2024, 07:11 AM

Perhaps Zuma just recognises that Ramaphosa has proven to be a useless and ineffective President. I imagine most thinking people would agree.

Denise Smit Jun 18, 2024, 08:09 AM

I find it interesting that we comment on this article but not on the article this morning by Ismael lagardien in Steenhuisen and the lies about the DA being a white colonialist party. They are about about the political roleplayers. Is it that DM leliberately want to protect Lagardien

Fred Lightly Said Jun 18, 2024, 10:21 AM

There are no comments on Ismael's blatantly racist, anti white article because DM has restricted all comment "in this sensitive time". Strangely Ismael is given a platform to resist any solution to our problems by white participants, while being protected from rebuttals from other authors. Crazy...

Cachunk Jun 18, 2024, 05:14 PM

Agree completely Denise. I had to comment on lagardien's pathetic, insecure ramblings in this thread above, because we weren't allowed to on his "opinionista". DM has always been my go-to news channel in the morning, but I'm feeling a shift...

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Jun 18, 2024, 08:29 AM

Zzzzzzzz uma.

Middle aged Mike Jun 18, 2024, 08:34 AM

Never forget that the glorious liberation movement gave us this miscreant as president for 9 years and that dollar couch guy was his deputy. Zuma is nothing if not a reflection of the party that extruded him.

Stef Viljoen Viljoen Jun 18, 2024, 08:52 AM

"...extruded him...." I love the mental picture that gets invoked!!! Well said MaM.

mothibediitumelen Jun 18, 2024, 09:10 AM

Spot on. The glorious movement needs some serious cleansing going forward. Actions do speak louder than words, hence we had 2021 LGE shakeup and 2024 NPE shift.

Tim Price Jun 18, 2024, 11:55 AM

I think a colonic irrigation of epic proportions is still required.

Middle aged Mike Jun 18, 2024, 01:42 PM

It would take a fire hose.

Tim Bester Jun 18, 2024, 08:42 AM

Evil feeds on publicity...let's have less Zuma, please

Sydney Kaye Jun 18, 2024, 08:51 AM

Why did they take their seats now. Because the mixture of thugs, criminal and losers scraped together were revolting (in more ways than one) because they couldn't start enjoying the promised goodies as MPs.

Sydney Kaye Jun 18, 2024, 09:01 AM

It seems to me that, considering Zuma's incoherent rambling, he is only a useful front for others. He certainly did not look as though he had the energy or capacity to mastermind this circus. Perhaps energy should be spent on following the money instead of worrying about Zuma's legendary skills

Middle aged Mike Jun 18, 2024, 09:50 AM

Couldn't agree more. Knowing the source of the funding of this crew, the EFF and some of the other 'progressive' parties would be most interesting. I would be unsurprised to find the usual suspects like cigarette smugglers joined by the secret services of some of our BRICS masters.

Neill Guyhrie Jun 18, 2024, 09:16 AM

The rage and ranting of a madman with a manic obsession to be paramount King and Lord of all. Bind the strongman.

bulumkon Jun 18, 2024, 09:16 AM

'First, the biggest party in this group, after MK, is the EFF. And Zuma and EFF leader Julius Malema have never been able to work together. (While Ramaphosa chaired the appeals committee that expelled Malema, it was Zuma who started that process.)'. No permanent enemies or friends in politics...

Middle aged Mike Jun 18, 2024, 10:03 AM

Especially when its the 'politics' of the stomach.

Confucious Says Jun 18, 2024, 09:27 AM

Tim and time again, Showerhead has been left dazed and confused by the law and the Constitution. He is simply not ready for the modern world and dreams of the Kraal of South Africa, not the Republic of South Africa.

Winston Bigsby Jun 18, 2024, 11:07 AM

For sure! "it has eyes to choose who does not be suitable to Roman and Dutch people [sic], but not for us as Africans”. Roman Dutch Law just became Roman & Dutch people..Jeez!

Winston Bigsby Jun 18, 2024, 09:35 AM

Who’s English is worse? The ex Chief thief: Zuma appeared to say in his prepared statement that SA’s legal system “cannot be the best if it has eyes to choose who does not be suitable to Roman and Dutch people [sic], but not for us as Africans”. Or SG’s last paragraph, unstrategic choices? Drivel..

mi Jun 18, 2024, 09:50 AM

Mr Zuma has been well enough to negotiate the creating of a new political party. Seems to have boundless energy to rabble rouse. Should he not be recalled to complete his sentence within the bounds of prison walls?

mi Jun 18, 2024, 09:50 AM

Mr Zuma has been well enough to negotiate the creating of a new political party. Seems to have boundless energy to rabble rouse. Should he not be recalled to complete his sentence within the bounds of prison walls?

JAJ Stewart Jun 18, 2024, 10:10 AM

If 'evidence mattered', this man would be in prison.

johnrompa Jun 18, 2024, 10:54 AM

It is quite unbelievable (except in South Africa) that a man who everyone knows is a crook is allowed to run in the elections. Until South Africa put Zuma and some of his cronies in the dock and then in jail will South Africa be accepted by countries across the world as a fair country in all aspects. John.

Eddie B Jun 18, 2024, 11:01 AM

The mighty ANC is a dying party, bit by bit, election after election. MKP is just a one election party. Apart from the fact that JZ doesn't have South Africa's best interest at heart, his base will leave in droves unless they all get wealthy.

kate.posthumus Jun 18, 2024, 11:36 AM

We underestimate the impact of chaos and mayhem at our peril. I have no doubt that there is Russian backing to the MK, as well as the ANC. They have very successfully torn the USA apart with the chaos and instability brought forth by a former president. We can't let them do that here...

kerryvs Jun 18, 2024, 11:40 AM

This is nothing but a Regressive Circus! The openly racist MK party, explicitly or implicitly, called for civil war, violence, chaos & anarchy, to fulfill a narcissistic and selfish old man's desire to still control a country which he sold to criminals accompanied by his criminal acolytes.

Thinker and Doer Jun 18, 2024, 12:51 PM

Yes, it is very important that statements undermining the IEC, the justice system, or Parliament are strongly responded to in the appropriate venues, as constitutional democracy and the rule of law must be vigorously defended from populist attacks.

Geoff Young Jun 18, 2024, 01:03 PM

Zuma is a clear and present danger and an enemy of the state. He's emulating Trump but crucially without the support needed to defy the rule of law. The NPA has a golden yet brief opportunity to charge him with treason while revoking his medical parole.

JUDY MCMENAMIN Jun 18, 2024, 01:22 PM

Having just joined the Daily Maverick, I object to your racist column today

Lisbeth Scalabrini Jun 18, 2024, 01:25 PM

"The mother of idiots is always pregnant."

monkeygas1 Jun 18, 2024, 01:42 PM

I am sorry you robbed this country of its dignity and brought the system to its knees, you still need to own your part in the your corruption charges, and all the other irregularities. Then face your time in Jail, yet you always manage to Dodge the courts and take the country hostage by threatening violence, How thick skinned are you to believe your own lies. Leave our country alone now, and be still please.

Iam Fedup Jun 18, 2024, 01:53 PM

"Never deal with a rascal under the expectation that you can prevent him from cheating you." (Hugh McCulloch)

heinrich787 Jun 18, 2024, 02:30 PM

Well said Stephen - spot on! Poor old demonic JZ was never good at Math, so, a 68% vote for sanity, common sense, peace, law and order, prosperity, etc., just doesn't add up for him for the ninety ninth millionth trillionth time! His rhetoric and threats are quite sickening, a reminder of one Bob a Job Mugabe who looted a once beautiful country. JZ & Co have the exact same intent and ambition - loot, kill, murder, steal, corrupt everyone and everything, they just don't give a hoot or a care for anything or anyone - its all about them, JZ (me, myself and I) a perfect narcissistic imbecilic steeped in hatred, in the occults, ancestry spirits no doubt, deluded, despotic, disgusting, revengeful, demon possessed, pure evil, ugly specimen of humanity! He makes Idi Amin look like a Sunday School teacher?? Media and Press should ignore him and his entourage with immediate effect, otherwise, he gains momentum and the crudest kind of credibility imaginable! Please - inform the public, only of his and those like him, of their arrests, convictions and sentenced to imprisonment for a very long time! Do not give them the time of day - for crying in a bucket! Then, and only then, may we may rest a little easier! It cannot be classified newsworthy, surely, as their actions are not worthy of comment, consideration or anything!

rosserjim Jun 18, 2024, 03:41 PM

The ANC lost 30% of its support (17%/57% = 30%) to the MK party and it goes off in the opposite direction into a GNU with the DA. This is an extinction level event for the ANC.

langeraa Jun 18, 2024, 04:27 PM

This man is an evil human being, we would be better off without him around.