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Will Cyril Ramaphosa stay or go? The question on everyone’s lips

A slow motion crash/disaster that this election is turning out to be for the ANC sets the stage for a set of important questions that will be asked about its leadership, and in particular, its president, Cyril Ramaphosa. It is by now widely known that he has major enemies within his party – but it is not yet clear if they will try to remove him or what will happen if he were to resign.
Will Cyril Ramaphosa stay or go? The question on everyone’s lips

Observers of our politics will get weary of the phrase “uncharted territory” over the next few weeks, as the shock induced by these election results settles in.

By any measure, the ANC’s roughly 15 percentage point decline to just north of 40%, while not that surprising, is still shocking and is bound to induce further tectonic tremors in our political scene.

In some democracies, such as the UK, a political leader who loses a significant share of the vote in an election is expected to resign, the idea being that they should, for the sake of the party, allow new blood to take over.

While some in the ANC may well demand that of Ramaphosa, the situation is complicated by the fact that there does not appear to be anyone in the party who could have done better. His allies are likely to argue that in fact without him, the result could even have been worse.

For the moment, there appear to be two major routes open to the party: to retain him as leader, or to remove him (or for him to resign).

This might well cause a battle between the forces of rationality, and the forces of the angry emotion that is in the process of being uncorked as the bad results gush towards the IEC’s results table.

It would be rational to assume that the most important priority in the ANC right now is to retain as much power as possible for the next five years, and set a stage for a possible full return to power in 2029.

In pursuit of these ideals, no chaos can be tolerated, and the chaos that would ensue should Ramaphosa leave his position soon cannot be underestimated.

Firstly, there is simply no mechanism to easily replace him. While Paul Mashatile is the deputy president of the ANC, the real top leadership mandate needs to come with the full vote at the electoral conference. Otherwise, while they might be in office, they may battle to have power.

It seems impossible to imagine that such a process, involving a leadership election, could be held in the near future.

Also, the clock is ticking, two weeks after the election is proclaimed by the Electoral Commission, Parliament must meet, swear in MPs and then elect a President.

If there were a move to replace Ramaphosa now, it would probably lead to huge division in the party’s top leadership – with the National Executive Committee (NEC) almost certainly split on the matter.

This would then bring a nightmare scenario of no agreement on who the new President of South Africa should be – and all of it while deciding on the fundamentally important direction to take on which coalitions to choose.

Even if somehow a candidate such as Mashatile were put forward as the presidential candidate for the ANC in Parliament, these divisions could even result in some ANC MPs refusing to vote for him. This would open the door, however unlikely, to other parties electing people or deciding which ANC candidate to back. Without cohesive leadership in the party, it would then be difficult for the NEC to act against those MPs.

The roots of this chaos manor were sown a long time ago. 

Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, still officially a Cabinet Minister, voted against the party Whip on the Phala Phala vote and was never disciplined. If the NEC could not act against her two years ago, it would be nigh impossible to act against runaway MPs now.

This is a big risk for the ANC – while it may be tempting to blame Ramaphosa for this result, removing him will invite even more chaotic outcomes.

The result of that would be that in five years’ time, the ANC would probably become just another “biggish party” and drop much further down in voters’ estimation. 

Should the DA retain the support it has now, it could become the biggest party in Parliament.

Of course, it is possible that Ramaphosa walks the plank of his own accord and makes himself unavailable for reelection.

This would probably have the same chaotic outcome. Some in the top leadership of the ANC might even ask him to stay on, temporarily. In other words, they would ask him to stand for election, be elected, appoint a Cabinet and then resign a few months later.

This scenario could avoid the chaos and allow the party some space in which to elect or appoint a new long-term leader to take over.

If only things were so simple, though – there are other problems even if Ramaphosa stays on.

One of the major points of power of ANC leaders up until this point has been their power in government, their ability to appoint Cabinet Ministers and other positions, and the rarely questioned prestige of the Office of the President.

Jacob Zuma used this to great effect, particularly for the benefit of the Guptas.

It now appears the ANC will be unable to enforce the policies the way it used to and will need support for even the simplest of laws or budgets it wants to pass.

This means that Ramaphosa himself would have less power. The time of a powerful Presidency, of a person whom others in politics fear could be in our past.

Considering that even when the ANC appeared almost all-powerful (just three days ago now), Ramaphosa was unable to implement much of the reform agenda – the uncertainty and loss of power may render these a fantasy. One would have to question whether his reform agenda can still survive in any shape.

For the moment, with so many processes already under way, it would appear some of the momentum which has built up involving the relationship between business and government would not easily be stopped. 

Certainly, the dynamics which have led to a bigger role for the private sector in our economy than ever before have not gone away.

This should mean, at least in the short term, that the increased role for the private sector in electricity and Transnet’s railways and ports should continue.

Tenders have been issued, solar installations built and agreements signed.

But the energy with which they have been pursued, however slowly, may now dissipate. This could well be a symbol for much of governance, no matter who leads the next administration.

Of course, while this election result is a huge shock to the ANC, it is not the end of the story. The next step is the decision about coalitions. And it is entirely possible that the ANC’s decision about coalition partners is what really determines Ramaphosa’s fate.

It is worth reiterating that the question of who the ANC chooses as coalition partners is completely intertwined with the issue of who will be the President.

Before the election it seemed obvious that if the party decided to work with the EFF, Ramaphosa would be in danger, and if it worked with the DA (in a grand national coalition) he might be in a stronger position.

Now, with the EFF’s share of the vote declining rather than strengthening, its negotiating position might well be weaker. Assuming that the ANC cannot form a coalition with the MK party while keeping Ramaphosa as president, this may strengthen the chances of a grand national coalition.

And while the ANC would surely demand the right to select the President, the DA would surely insist that it be no one other than Ramaphosa.

This means that in the end, the biggest factor in whether he stays or goes will actually be decided by who the ANC decides to work with.

While the phrase uncharted territory may be boring, when there, it is still best to strap in. DM

Comments

Arnold O Managra May 31, 2024, 10:52 PM

A long article saying nothing. Two futures now: 1. ANC and MK merge, which is a Zuma/RET reverse takeover of the ANC. 2. ANC and DA enter some kind of GNU agreement. The first is apocalypse for SA, as it will already be in KZN. The second is very unlikely to help the DA.

Carln Jun 1, 2024, 12:00 AM

Ha. After writing my comment I moderated yours. Jinx? I'm perhaps a bit more optimistic than you on the GNU/ANC-MPC coalition option but maybe that's just wishful thinking.

troyelanmarshall Jun 1, 2024, 01:12 AM

A deal between the DA and the ANC - there will be violence in KZN.

superjase Jun 3, 2024, 09:36 AM

their will be violence in KZN - no matter who makes a deal with whom.

Paddy Ross Jun 1, 2024, 11:25 AM

With the voting figures as they stand currently, the DA is in a strong position to negotiate with the ANC. As another comment says already, read Carol Paton's analysis on News24. An ANC/DA agreement (not necessarily a coalition) would be a good test of whether Ramaphosa has the will/the power to root out corruption in government. If the ANC/DA can make a success of working together, it would be a major step in overcoming South Africans obsession with an individual' skin colour

Kenneth FAKUDE Jun 1, 2024, 02:14 PM

What the economy needs is an ANC/DA collusion but the same question remains, how will the masses be effectively brought into the economy to earn the dignity they have yearned for since the dawn of colonialism, the DA leans too much to the opportunistic west and Europe.

Dietmar Horn Jun 2, 2024, 12:10 PM

As I predicted in my commentary, there are voices blaming the DA for the disaster that the ANC alone caused. The tragedy in SA is that apart from insignificant one percent parties, only the liberal DA meets international democratic standards. Unfortunately, there is no social democratic, conservative or green party of any importance here that is free of corruption, crime and racism. Absurdly, it is obviously expected that the DA should transform itself into a kind of corruption-free ANC and in doing so give up its market-liberal core position. The fact that the DA does not do this is then absurdly blamed as white racism. Why is the DA blamed for the ANC's failure in 30 years to fill a social democratic vacuum free of corruption and racism? But perhaps such a vacuum does not exist at all, because for 75% of the electorate, corruption and crime seem to be the least of their evils. I am sure that many people will classify my view as typically "Western" and that I have no understanding of feudal-tribalist-Marxist identity politics. That's true and I can live with that.

Kenneth FAKUDE Jun 2, 2024, 02:48 PM

Don't worry the DA knows what it needs to change in the next 5 years.

Carln May 31, 2024, 11:57 PM

Either Ramaphosa goes, MK is absorbed back into the ANC and all hell breaks loose with Zuma back in charge (directly or via his daughter) or Ramaphosa manages to galvanise enough of the less compromised ANC, go in with the DA/MPC, and hopefully somehow sanity prevails.

Ian Gwilt Jun 1, 2024, 08:22 AM

Carol Paton penned a good options article on news 24

superjase Jun 3, 2024, 09:39 AM

for those with a subscription.

prdutoit86 Jun 1, 2024, 06:12 AM

For the moment 2 major routes…. C’mon Stephen, which other routes will there ever be apart from these two?

Leon Schipper Jun 1, 2024, 01:25 PM

My thought exactly.

Daniel Cohen Jun 1, 2024, 06:49 AM

We may just land up with a DNC

Vincent L Jun 1, 2024, 10:27 AM

Ask any woman, a DNC is painful!

Vincent L Jun 1, 2024, 10:27 AM

Ask any woman, a DNC is painful!

William Kelly Jun 1, 2024, 08:05 AM

The elephant in the room is that it is time JuJu took on a new wife.

Johan Buys Jun 1, 2024, 08:07 AM

Ramaphosa did not lose 15% support for ANC. 15 of the 55 support the party had, split away from the party. Big difference. The party had a cancer, the cancer is removed. Surgery also happened to necessitate losing an arm and half a leg, but at least the cancer is in a bucket now. MK imagines that traditional leaders should lead the country, and that the constitution must go. They can’t seem to count : 6 out of 7 South Africans reject tribalism and prefer a constitutional democracy to a primitive system. Maybe now finally SA could mature from pre Apartheid parties to a new United Party. Well at least a United Alliance.

TJ Tapela Jun 1, 2024, 10:21 AM

Succinct. Insightful. Thank you Johan.

Rama Chandra Jun 2, 2024, 10:04 AM

100% correct. I don't know why journalists, especially international journalists, fail to see it that way. The ANC is in much better shape without the worst elements which are now in the MK.

Wendy Dewberry Jun 1, 2024, 08:15 AM

Having listened to people on the ground and via the news, it would seem that ANC lost votes because of two things. Corruption and lack of service delivery. If the parties going forward do not address these two fundamental failures in governance, I imagine the people will continue to leave the parties concerned and continue to shift to parties who offer (relatively) clean governance and equitable service delivery. I think the shift began this election - that people have been cleaved away ftom the sentimental vote for the liberation party of 1994. That hegemony has started to erode as people have become more discerning.

Johan Buys Jun 1, 2024, 08:48 AM

Wendy, I think it is a mistake to view the outcome as the ANC having lost votes or people voting against the ANC for any particular reason such as corruption or service delivery. The ANC has split. Closest analogy would be if a Company reports lower numbers in 2024 than 2023 because it closed some of its subsidiaries.

Rencia Cloete Jun 1, 2024, 11:35 AM

What gets me is the corruption part. Voters left the ANC to go vote MK - the original masterminds of the corruption in this country!! I know that "tribalism" and bribed traditional leaders also played a part but struggle to understand how people can be so blinkered!

B M Jun 1, 2024, 02:47 PM

There are clearly 15% of the population that desire a continued corrupt government.

Malusi Ndungane Jun 2, 2024, 11:32 AM

No, 55% desire corruption: 40% want corruption led by Cyril and 15% prefer Jacob to lead it.

Warren Wilbraham Jun 1, 2024, 08:55 AM

If the ANC is true to their word on job creation there is only one option - a grand coalition with the DA. In 5 years time the ANC voters who stayed away will possibly be back as their lot would have hopefully improved. Those who have left have already voted for MK so I cannot see how it would get much worse. While McBuffalo is not inspiring in any sense he’s the best we have. He needs to stay on, do the right thing and stymie an EFF / MK / ANC tie up.

Alan Watkins Jun 1, 2024, 09:51 AM

What ANC word on job creation? They have never been interested in job creation. The best they come up with is pontificating about job opportunities, which are short term, casual, poorly paid "job". Never any seriousness about growing the economy to create jobs

Sergei Rostov Jun 1, 2024, 09:09 AM

So in the end hope lies with the stable and coherent DA. What about "Thank you, DA voters".

JAJ Stewart Jun 1, 2024, 12:11 PM

Indeed, Sergei.

Dietmar Horn Jun 1, 2024, 09:41 AM

Congratulations Mr. Grootes, a really accurate analysis after these election results. “In some democracies", such an election result means that the ruling party that has been voted out can regenerate itself in the opposition. In this situation, if reasonable opposition parties do not have their own majority, "in some democracies" this leads to reasonable forces in the voted-out party forming a coalition of reason with the largest opposition party, in the interests of the country. I don't know which path the parties in SA will take. Looking back at articles and comments here at DM, voices will soon arise blaming the DA for the chaos that is now likely to erupt in the ANC. If the final result shows a 50+x majority for ANC+EFF, you don't need a crystal ball to know where the journey will go.

Jon Quirk Jun 1, 2024, 10:07 AM

I wrote this comment on 30 May 2024 at 15:08, ie. before the present disaster that Grootes outlines. That the ANC has dismally failed to hold all the criminals that looted and destroyed our economy to account, does not mean that this was wrong, and the second-best time to do this, is, as always now. It would be unconscionable to retain this miserable lot - and the whole country can name most of them - in a future government, whose primary function must be to re-build our economy, create jobs and repair our severely damaged infrastructure. It is beyond time that we have a government of national unity, built from competence and not dictated to by either tribal, ethnic or party lines. "A nightmare scenario is becoming ever clearer; the failure of the NPA to bring any meaningful charges against the vast number of corrupt persons, the failure to charge the July 2021 insurrectionists, and before that, Thabo Mbeki’s failure to just sack him, rather than ensure that the Arm’s Deal charges were followed through and Zuma arrested – all of course because of the fears of many in the ANC, that each of these steps would have resulted in many more senior ANC, being also arrested and charged, now seems likely to result in a political nightmare, and all fundamentally as a result of a dithering, fearful President, without the cojones to do the right thing – seeking to “save” the ANC, rather than do both the right thing, and what is best for our country."

Patterson Alan John Jun 2, 2024, 04:54 AM

You have echoed what my wife and I were discussing. Protecting the ANC has been their principal aim and irrespective of the countless misdemeanors by all cadres, as well as running scared of the Zuma faction in every respect, the ANC has painted itself into this corner. Their hubris in believing that they would rule until the second coming of Jesus, has collectively led them into the desert. I predicted that Zuma had inside information about the ANC from the RET faction and that he was a wily operator who should never be underestimated and here we are. ANC voters sympathetic to the RET faction, attended the voting stations in their ANC shirts and put their 'X' on MK, completely blindsiding the ANC organisers. I also predicted that a number of ANC MPs would cross the floor and join MK if it won national seats, so time will prove me correct or not. This shake-up of the political landscape will have far-reaching repercussions and out of the chaos, will hopefully erase the plethora of inconsequential parties by consolidation with existing, more dominant parties and creating a more mature opposition of six or seven distinctively different offerings for the next national elections. Associated with this upheaval, is the opportunity for every politician to think on the past, the consequences that arose and what their future approach should be to realign their moral compasses and do the right things to engender trust in the electorate, to ensure their re-election in the future.

Jan Pierewit Jun 1, 2024, 10:22 AM

Delighted. Unison in politics, other than in times of great national threat, is ever an indication of unreality. We have to relearn the meaning of debate, difference, pragmatic compromise. No more Grace & Favour, no more blank cheques, no more automatic support or Soviet-style claqueurs. It won't be easy but it will reflect realities at long last. A watershed season. A shift to a level of greater political maturity (though there will be ructions).

Willem le Roux Jun 1, 2024, 11:22 AM

Wise man. Fully agree.

henkc27 Jun 1, 2024, 12:34 PM

I would hate for my words to become true, but I fear South Africa is in for a side swipe of biblical proportions. We are all hoping that the ANC, MK, EFF hate each other enough not to form an alliance…but I think they will bury the hatchets a find a route where all three parties are equally unhappy. Think of it, Malema was all ANC with the Youth League, he then broke away and formed the EFF. He supported Zuma all the way, even visiting him after he was removed from office. Swore to Zuma’s innocence’s prior to the July riots. He hates Ramaphosa, but he will live with-it if he can get a ministerial position where he can loot some more. Visa versa, Zuma does not hate the current ANC cadres, he just wants one or two of them removed from their positions reopening is avenue for “revenue generation”. And the current ANC, well they are in such a precarious position they would opt for an MK, EFF alliance to maintain power. That way all the individuals who need their pockets to be lined remain in the power to do so. Why would the ANC go with a DA/IFP alliance, when they know the DA will want power over the Financial and SOE departments. That is where the ANC, MK and EFF make their money. You would be effectively cutting off your source of income if you align with the DA/IFP. As someone in power stated to me 2 weeks ago, what are the levels of survival? 65 percent of our population live without electricity, running water and sewage disposal. 79 percent live off less than R50 a day. Would it matter to the bulk of our population is the rand tanks? If large foreign organisations leave the country? If Tribal rule becomes the norm? The bulk of the nation does not care if VAT goes up, they very rarely buy anything that has VAT attached to it. They don’t care if Taxes go up, they don’t pay any. They don’t care if the insurance companies are nationalised…they don’t insure anything. Retirement and investments, banking….what for, they will revert to subsistence living. And so on and so on. The ANC/MK/EFF are willing to accept the above as survival, gives them a bot more time to loot.

Thyshauptstellenbos Jun 1, 2024, 01:21 PM

you can break one branch easily, two branches with difficulty, impossible to break three. you are 100% correct!!!!

Robert de Vos Jun 1, 2024, 12:39 PM

What's really fascinating is the tribal, like it or not of KZN support for Zuma. Also, at noon today, the top 8 parties with over 1% of the total vote got 95.55% support and 44 parties with less than 1% got 5.45% support. Surely, it is time to rethink the credentials of a party in an election? Politicians will cling to power until the last broken nail, so don't expect Dear Cyril to go to Phala Phala and herd some cattle. Knives in the back rooms are already being sharpened but this debacle of a regional power like the MK and the rabble-rouser EFF wanting a say in the action is not boding well for the economy. Neither of them has the most basic of abilities. The only viable result for external and internal economics is an ANC/DA coalition with a clearing out of the inept and corrupt cadres in a new government.

Campbell Tyler Jun 1, 2024, 01:41 PM

In all this I am interested that no one has subjected the DA performance to analysis. Here is the % by which the DA vote grew or dropped (negative) by province and overall. Eastern Caoe - -1.4% Free State - 4.3% Gauteng 0.3% KZN -0.5% Limpopo 0.6% Mpumalanga 1.7% Northern Cape -4.3% North West 1.6% Western Cape -0.2% In an election cycle where your main opponent, through its performance, basically gave you the country on a platter, and where its vote dropped by 17% nationally, these figures are pathetic. Where is the growth? Where is the possibility of being a viable alternative. I am sure Cyril must be thinking about his future, but I hope that many in the DA are thinking about John Steenhuisen's position, and probably Helen's too. Their sell by date is looming, if not past.

Johan Buys Jun 1, 2024, 02:43 PM

To be fair the other moon shot parties are probably 5% that would have been DA if those new parties did not waste those votes. There are non MPC parties that may as well also be inside. A policy affinity analysis would cluster all of them as within minor difference of each other on policy. Yes, the DA needs to take a long honest and unselfish look at its leadership, recognise that SA is still race-obsessed for two decades, and shuffle the chairs with both eyes focused on the country not themselves.

megapode Jun 1, 2024, 02:10 PM

I wonder if MK haven't been caught out just like everybody else has been. They are on course for 15% of the vote. Do they have 60 people to put in Parliament? Seriously, that party had no organisation 6 months ago and doesn't have much now. They don't have many of the trappings of a political party in terms of policy, internal organisation, branches.

B M Jun 1, 2024, 02:52 PM

MK is the "RET" side of the ANC. They know how to place cadres in Parliament.

Sydney Kaye Jun 1, 2024, 04:41 PM

Biggest joke is that people were fed up with corruption so they deserted the ANC. Not at all, they just switched to an equally corrupt Zuma. If it was the case the DA would have benfited but did not. In fact they dropped and their performanes was shocking. Next to the ANC they were the big loser.

Sydney Kaye Jun 1, 2024, 04:41 PM

Biggest joke is that people were fed up with corruption so they deserted the ANC. Not at all, they just switched to an equally corrupt Zuma. If it was the case the DA would have benfited but did not. In fact they dropped and their performanes was shocking. Next to the ANC they were the big loser.

Rae Earl Jun 1, 2024, 05:40 PM

It is essential for the ANC to choose the DA is a coalition partner. The coalition strength would be unmatched and Ramaphosa could be retained as president but this time with the support and input of a party which knows how to govern. The DA is free of corruption and cronyism. Ramaphosa has been a useless figurehead bereft of the strength required to fire and replace bad comrades because he relied on them and his NEC 'collective' to keep him in the hot seat. A reformed ANC working with, instead of against the DA would see our country prosper in the same way the Western Cape has done for close on 15 years. Any other coalition will simply lead to destruction for the ANC and, ultimately, South Africa.

Kenneth Arundel Jun 1, 2024, 07:58 PM

Just a pipe dream, too many egos involved. The DA is definitely not corrupt free but at least a lot less corrupt. Growing up takes effort and I dont know if our current politicians are up to it. Who knows.

Colin Louw Jun 2, 2024, 05:43 AM

I think that some of the above comments are not well founded. If the DA has any brains (and recently there is evidence that they are definitely somewhat deficient in that area), they will realise that full blown GNU or joint Government with the ANC will surely mean their total annihilation over the next 5 years - look at what happens all over the world when a smaller party joins with one just under 50%. So presuming that Helen can see the wood for the trees, and chooses one of "supporting" the ANC at critical points, then the ANC can offer a Government. Obviously there will be a price to pay by the ANC. However, if this does not work or the next option is taken by the ANC then as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow, the ANC will form an alliance with the MK. The horse trading behind this will be fascinating but doable. Ramaposer will be around for an appropriate but short time, then who knows will grab the reins - it will be an MK inclined bloke / bird to satisfy both parties, and then at least we can safely say now we have certainty - SS SA is truly knackered. Say goodbye to all the stashed pension reserves, medical aid contingency reserves, foreign investment and so and so on. Alan P can then truly be remembered for "Cry the beloved country".

Maria Janse van Rensburg Jun 2, 2024, 05:29 PM

South Africans and people with powerful platforms (media) must be careful not to promote the "Ramaphosa must go" narrative put forward by Julius Malema and the MK members. Remember what followed when South Africans and others with powerful platforms pushed the narrative that "Mbeki" must go - put forward by Julius Malema, the SACP, the labour unions and growing RET faction in the ANC. President Ramaphosa is his own man. He follows due process to get rid of corrupt Ministers - not midnight cabinet reshuffles that is void of any rule of law. I would be very comfortable if the ANC and the DA could collaborate for the next 5 years. Their common goal should be to improve the lives of all South Africans but especially that of the uneployed and poor people. President Ramaphosa has put people based and corrective programs in place, and with the liberal, fair, just and rational policies of the DA, the populus can benefit. I for one am jealousy guarding the human rights guaranteed in the bill of rights. It is clear that it also the objective of President Ramaphosa and Helen Zille. That should be our only barometer.