ANC gags NEC members as MK party rages over Mantashe ‘tribalism’ comment

Uncle Gweedy "Hazenile" Mantashe is not generally known for his vast intellect, but this time he's bang on. True to form, 2/3rds of SA's voters have simply voted for an ANC faction. The EFF came out of the Youth League, and MK is simply the Zulu faction of the ANC, which got defeated in 2017. The ANC, EFF and MK are still the same thing in terms of ideology; criminal gangs bent on looting, winning votes by promising the voting sheeple free stuff, paid for by white taxpayers, such as the NHI. The only contest that matters in SA's politics, is the internal churn between the current 3 ANC factions. The free market, honesty and accountability carry no weight with SA's voting sheeple.

MK voters choices are tribal. Its pretty obvious. This perception is far less insulting than it is factual. After all, Zuma was the one who said the ANC would rule until Jesus returns and was active in the mismanagement of the country during his tenure. Although this type of thinking is outdated in many more progressive countries, its certainly not the case in South Africa. The citizens of South Africa are not punishing the ANC nearly enough. If our citizens were voting based on performance, the ANC would be a minority party and the MK and EFF would not feature.

If I understand it correctly from Gwede: Zulu tribalism (e.g. MK, IFP) is BAD; Black tribalism (e.g. BB-BEE, EE, cadre deployment, cronyism, procurement, mining rights) is GOOD? I also note that Helen removed her left foot from her mouth, temporarily, only to replace it with her right foot. The South African voters and taxpayers really do deserve better than this multiparty clown show.

Whoever is celebrating the death of the ANC need only look where its lost votes went. Zuma smacking Ramaphosa at the polls (not only impi muscles to loot KZN warehouses). Julius can only look and drool, wishing he could muster such power. End-game - within the next 2 weeks expect a 'Family chat' on TV from Cyril, about how all the adults in the room have decided its 'best for South Africa' if everybody gets along, because the people have spoken and they clearly say they want 'the old ANC back together under new leadership' - so he will 'graciously' step aside, Zuma is welcomed home with open arms (quietly meaning full indemnity, and equal gravy train opportunities), lights go back on (in Saxonwold, for the Guptas that is) and its 'praedam magnam'.

“I don’t think we should lock ourselves into Zulu tribalism. Tribalism is a backward form of politics, it has its timeframe and then disappears. If that is the factor, I am not worried,” according to Mantashe. The odious little troll didn't express these concerns when the 100% Zulu Boy t-shirts were a feature of his previous boss' election campaign.

I wonder if the KZN voters really realise what the lack of a constitution & nationalised banks would mean for them if MK were ever to come to power?

How is it possible Jacob Zuma, this minion of the Gupta brothers, could possibly rise from the ashes of his own downfall if it's not thanks to tribal support? Between Zuma and Ramaphosa, in just 15 years they have reduced South Africa to a wrecked pile of desperate poverty, unemployment, failed SOE's, and international scorn from our friends and trading partners for our slavish loyalty to Putin's Russia and the Hamas terrorist regime . How many of MK's voters are not Zulu. Anyone know?

Comment of the Election from Zuma voter switching from the ANC ; "We're fed up with corruption." Duh!

Zille is a pragmatist and understands leaders have to take their supporters forward step by step. Before the election it was we have no intention of working with the ANC and any suggestion to the contrary was crushed. Now it is we will prevent an ANC EFF MK coalition and the DA will take the leasf worst option. Guess what the next step will be.

MK don't appreciate talks of tribalism, but according to the "Peoples Manifesto" they want more powers for traditional leaders?

Why is it that the DA spokespeople cannot just keep their mouths shut? It is not compulsory to respond to every comment made by other politicians. Just concentrate on your mission and let the other parties throw comments around and get at one another's throats, create difficulties for themselves, create tensions in and outside their parties and generally lose focus on their plans. They will get into fights and slowly destroy themselves.

A couple of years ago I found myself talking to Ronnie Kasrils at a book launch. He is VERY charming. There are things I wish I'd asked him, but the chat we did have was still interesting and pleasant. At one point the topic was one time London mayor Ken Livingstone. I got the impression that he's a pal of Kasrils. But what I remember was him saying something like "I never disagreed with anything Ken said, but you know sometimes there are things that you shouldn't say. It doesn't change what you say and do, but it's just things you don't need to say." Or there is the story about the world champion racing driver Ayrton Senna who at a press conference had a profanity-laced go at some of the people involved in running the sport. Senna's team asked the newly elected President of FIA Max Mosley (yes, son of) to intervene because there was a chance that Senna might be barred from competing. Mosley asked Senna "do you know the difference between a professional and amateur?". Then went on to explain that an amateur does and says what they like whenever they feel like it, but a professional say and does only what is necessary given his position at the time. Then he told Senna that he had just got himself into trouble by acting like an amateur. So I agree with Zille and Mantashe in this case, but they didn't need to blurt that out to the press. All that did was hand MK a big stick and a sign that says "hit me".

“..of a united, non-sexist and prosperous SA, the MK party strives to build” That comment might have have been more believeable if the party did not also say, on the same day Mantashe and Zilles comments were made, that it would look to form coalitions only with black parties.

"punishing the ANC for mismanaging the country" - what a joke, MK are all ex ANC who were all part of the mismanagement of the country.

Bob F - May 31st 2024 at 14:49 I don't know who Nhlumalo Ndhlela is but, does he really know the Zulu people. An honest analysis of the MK vote in KZN will undoubtedly reveal that probably 80 percent or more of votes cast were by Zulus. Had Zuma been the face of the ANC, EFF or any other party the Zulu vote would certainly have been for that party.

It does seem like Zulu tribalism with strictly rural undertones.....heck, MK doesn't even have a credible manifesto, wants to return to the distant past.

If Zulu tribalism was not part of JZ783's appeal, why did he campaign in a "100% Zulu Boy" t-shirt and why was there talk within the ANC of an Eastern Cape "Xhosa Nostra"?

Just for this once I have to agree with Comrade Mantashse. Tribalism, and fricking kings – 6 of them!! – are so last-of-last millennium.

People only get offended when an accusation is true. The IEC map shows a direct correlation between MK support and Zulu population distribution. Also, a similar correlation between PA and Coloured population distrubition. And, for that matter, a correlation between DA support and White population distribution. A similar trends are noticeable with FF+ and IFP. I thought that the voting was 'tribal' before the Mantashe and Zille comments were reported. I am sure many other people thought the same. If we are all wrong, then please explain why.

The only thing this election proves is that political parties (all of them) are beyond their sell-by date. It is time for independent candidates who represent their individual constituencies (where they live!) and who have independent personal audits of their finances/lifestyles every year. When they fail their constituencies, they get booted out! Political parties are ideologically driven heirarchies, usually patriarchal and inflexible. The other thing this election proves is that South Africans struggle to put themselves into the shoes of others, to understand where/why they act the way they do. If we did, and we abolished political parties, we would get on better, unify the country and deal with our problems better. Currently, we have no vision for our own future, so we grasp at stupid straws and bicker about politics. Let's get on with fixing the country!

Well I agree with Mantashe 100% and he must not apologize for because it is s fact. 2, However it is a known fact that the Xhosa people like Mantashe and Mbalula prefer only Xhosa around them unless if they are using you are tribes especially if they did not undergo initian or circumcision they are said to be Amankwenkwe or lower men or men not to be taken seriously. In the Free State which is predominantly Sotho unfortunately one sees mainly Xhosas at the helm. It is their save heaven. In the Eastern Cape a Sotho at the helm is so scarce like an Albino Policeman (skaars Soos Albino Poliseman)3, Well the media is unfriendly to Zuma without any provocation from his side. He is attacked left and right which tells that there is an agenda against him, that is why I support him against media and court cases which are fabrications in my view. I am a stouch ANC supporter but I follow facts and truths only. In my church we are taught not to judge. I however agree that once you assume a public office be prepared to be judged and be scrutinized on each and every action. I however feel that for Zuma the attack is too much and senseless and somehow barbaric

What i find strange in no one's comments is the fact that all opposition parties (and by that I mean those parties that are still bound by some form of ethical responsibility and are less tainted by corruption) have failed in doing the one thing South Africa needs - form a united opposition. Instead of fighting each other for their own political agenda they should have found a way in the last four years to make a viable alternative. Say what you want about 1994 but I remember that regardless of manifesto all opposition parties where unified in that they wanted to abolish apartheid. Why is it that now, and in the last four years, instead of unify and fight against the trifecta of decay (ANC, EFF, MK) the whole election is treated like a circus and not taken seriously? Failure to educate communities, lack of community engagement in party building, lack of big business involvement in community upliftment and employment programs to name a few. Then add in the fact of low voter registration, low voter turnout and poor systems and you have our current situation. It's time many pack their bags and seek asylum overseas.

I have no time for the likes of Gwede Mantashe, but his comments about tribal tendencies in KZN is not far from the truth. U Baba holds tribal sway with the Zulu clans.

I'm no Mantashe fan but he got it right on this .