Showdown looms over ANC’s poll lists after Chief Justice Zondo enters the fray

Will be very interesting to see if they finally "bite the bullet"

Finally I understand corruption & its context. It is the “ANC culture of comradely care and kinship.”

That is just Zondo Commission, News 24 and other investigative agencies. Don Pablo?

Translation of "the ANC culture of comradely care and kinship": we exist to enrich ourselves and cover for one another.

The ANC struggle with the concept that ethics is a standard higher than that required by law. One does not have to be found guilty by a court to have breached an ethical code, but I don’t think that logic would suit these individuals.

Comrade = My fellow criminal

That this is still a showdown beggars belief on the eve of an election. The ANC needs to be unambiguously intentional about implicated members and face the music at the poles for its self confessed policy of deploying implicated crooks. VOTE ANC we get nothing done because we deploy crooks.

Unbelievable that they are actually having a debate about this! Criminal activity cannot be hidden under the guise of “ care and compassion “ or even comradeship! Crime is crime….no matter who commits it.

Will be fascinating to see what Mavuso Msimang does, after he backtracked previously from making his initial stand, because the ANC said they would action his concerns....hmmmm....watching with bated breathe!

Who needs the Oxford Dictionary when you have the ANC to define 'nepotism'?

What a bunch of useless oxygen thief's As if anyone would miss them. A few more could join that list.

My hair hurts after reading this.

Send the Zondo list to MK : they are looking for recruits with those skills and experience.

Integrity!? This word has NEVER had any relevance in the ranks of the ANC. An inconvenient truth; to be implicated in theft, corruption is an essential "quality" for elevation to high office in the ANC and Govt. Just look at the names listed and here we are 2-3 years post the Zondo Report and absolutely NOTHING has happened. It is shameless, priceless, insulting but watch this space; all the alleged thieves will slip back on to these lists which then guarantee a spot at the feeding trough!!

Today we're told that a commission must be set up to look for apartheid transgressors not covered by the TRC some 30 years ago. That's exactly what the ANC wants; point to the legacy of apartheid being the reason for them being dishonest and stealing left right and centre from their own people. They have no more wiggle room and are now dredging up any excuse they can find to offset their own blatant corruption.

Where's the list of grand corruption by DA members? There isn’t one - zero tolerance for graft.

The ANC is not even capable of enforcing its more relaxed step-aside rule. Zandile Gumede is campaigning for the ANC in KZN while facing corruption charges in court, yet no ANC bigwig has said a word about it. Don't trust *anything* coming from ANC lips, especially if it sounds promising. BTW, I got coffee all over my keyboard when I read that drivel about "[I]ndividuals who did not understand the ANC culture of comradely care and kinship."

Journalists just love stirring the pot City Press especially, sound very similar to another media group who print plenty of fake info.

The ANC government is just a bunch of thieving scammers and gangsters that will destroy this country and all it's citizens just to enrich themselves! Also don't forget about all the rest of the corrupt politicians in other party's, they also only after one thing and that's to lay there hands on our hard earned taxpayer's money to once again enrich themselves once again! So for the intelligent people of SA, please just vote for the party that has the best track record running their province in SA. There is only one and we need them to Win, this is our only chance to save our beloved country!! This year vote with your head and don't listen to the lies of the corrupt!

If not being corrupt was a criterion for those lists there would only be about 3 people on it. The ANC is rotten from stem to stern.

ANC elections head Mdumiseni Ntuli said the ANC made "a mistake" by supporting Jacob Zuma in Parliament while ANC secretary-general Fikile Mbalula told supporters that the ANC lied to protect Zuma over Nkandlagate. Ntuli, the ANC KZN provincial secretary when fraud and corruption charges against Zuma were reinstated, supported him in court and in public. Supporting JZ783 was not just a simple "mistake" it was an act of corruption (as defined by the ANC-legislated Prevention and Combating of Corrupt Activities Act) — all the ANC's then MPs are therefore «corrupt» and should stand down.

The real problem the ANC has is that they probably cannot populate the election list as there are not enough "untainted" members available

The beauty of innocent til proven guilty is that one gets a fair trial. The ugly is that criminals roam free. Especially if they're wealthy and well connected.

I love it when I see reference to the "ANC’s Integrity Commission". It's just a name. How can thugs judge thugs? It's just a matter of who the biggest threat is. It has nothing to do with integrity at all.

The ANC has watered down the step-aside rule to deal with corruption from an initial 2017 conference resolution, which said that members implicated in public corruption scandals should step aside. The party’s National Executive Committee decided this was prejudicial and it was moderated to “step aside only after being charged” Plausibility.... Innocence until proven guilty is a minimum legal principle, even one of the ANC's current senior leaders and ideologue Mdumiseni Ntuli once said that revolutionaries must judged on higher ethical standards, not a minimum standard like innocence until proven otherwise. On the fear of the possibility of the abuse of the step aside rule, Plausibility saves the day. Not anyone can accuse anyone of corruption and provide no evidence, then that person is taken serious to the extent that the fingered person is forced to step aside. The accusations must be probable.

The fact that the ANC is so deeply divided on the issue of not having tainted thieves on the list tells you everything you need to know about the party: it remains completely unreformed from when Ramaphosa bought the top spot by a whisker from the Bell-Pottinger faction. It's become abundantly clear that Ramaphosa's win at NASREC was a victory for greater splodges of wonga being hauled out from under the couch, rather than renewal and reform. Just one bunch of trough-swillers outbidding the other. The prospect of losing outright power (and MPs) is thrilling, tempered by the possibility of the ANC jumping into bed with even worse parties in order to keep clinging onto power and patronage through their Ponzinomics.

The fact that they are still debating this is shameful. Anyone who still votes for them deserves what they get...hunger, homeless, jobless, poor...the list goes on.

would be amusing were it not so excruciatingly sad...

No shame!

Q - How many ANC cadres does it take to take action on corruption? A - No one knows. There has never been any action taken against ANC cadres involved in corruption.

If those implicated in State Capture are on the ANC list then we know that corruption will be ongoing

None of the 97 listed plus Mkhize should be allowed to stand. Simple!

What the ANC has done over the last 30 years is shown how to turn a silk purse into a pigs ear!

If the NPA were doing its job they should all be charged by now.

"Better the devil you know." The list of offenders is full of persons who are permanently in the corruption spotlight and cannot make an illegal move without someone in the media reporting it. Removing these crooks from the ANC list just makes room for more anonymous crooks, who will spent their time under the radar very profitably. And does the speaker of the house get a free ride or should she be in the list? And no mention of President Phala Phala.

How many of the ANC's Top Brass, meeting to decide, are themselves implicated? If it's the ANC Top 7 deciding - I would suggest Fikile, Gwede, Paul Mashatile & Nomvula recuse themselves as each has been implicated. In fact if they did recuse themselves (as they should) the Top 7 wouldn't be Quorate - implying that it would be impossible for them to vote on the matter (which in turn would be both convenient and consistent with the spirit of Comradely kinship and care)

In Scotland there are 3 possible outcomes in a trial. Guilty, not guilty and not proven. In other words only a not guilty verdict means the accused is innocent. Guilty means guilty but not proven means the accused is probably guilty but this cannot be proven. But our legal system a not guilty verdict does not necessarily mean that the accused is innocent. The Zuma rape trial is a case in point. He was found not guilty but I aver that very few people think that he was innocent.

The ANC has been disappointing any party who care about their brand would have used the ample opportunity given by reports to remove all these conflicted fellows. It will be sad to loose this brand with so many good policies. Well elections will decide, but with the recycling of all those on the list is definitely a death wish.

Bob F March 5th at 03:29 If it's left to the ANC to decide who should stand for them in the coming election we must not expect any changes. So far as ANC is concerned qualifications, and implication in state capture is irrelevant. gar The

And you think they care...

Please remind me what the Zondo Commission cost and what it actually achieved? Thick skin, utterly shameless doesn't begin to describe the attitude if these venal ANC politicians.

There may be 16 on this list, but every single member is guilty, at very least, of colluding with criminals. Were there any innocent members of the SS? No, because the very act of joining is an indication of criminal intent, or, at best, sheer apathy towards the plight of South Africans. (And, by the way, for those who are students of history, we know that Hitler took great care of most of his generals and ministers, so that the price of opposing him was just too high.)

Bob -. March 6th 2024 at 14:24 This problem would have been completely avoided if South Africa had an effective and independent prosecuting authority and a judiciary comprised of more judges the calibre of Justice Zondo.

I think you forgot about Cyril in your list and his stuffed sofa story case That tallies up 17 members ( that we know of). And still we wait to hear as to how they will handle this. Has the ANC no shame nor conscience?