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All-white, all-male legal teams are wrong on so many levels

The (at the very least) incestuous practice of appointing all-male and all-white legal teams breeds (or perpetuates) a special kind of elite mediocrity. The only people who seem to be oblivious to this problem are those who benefit from it.
All-white, all-male legal teams are wrong on so many levels

Over the weekend, the conservative Afrikaans Sunday newspaper Rapport carried an indignant front-page report about the request made by a judge of the Western Cape High Court to the all-white legal teams who appeared before him in a case dealing with Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment to explain the “failure to have even a single black lawyer in this matter”. 

In a subsequent email, the judge asked the lawyers to submit written arguments to him “which address the court’s concern, namely the possible violation of section 9.2 of the Constitution, due to the failure to have a black advocate in this case”.

Rapport’s indignation was not entirely misplaced. The decision by the judge to order the lawyers to submit written arguments to him on an issue that was not before the court was odd, to say the least. However, this does not mean the judge was wrong to question the fact that two all-white legal teams appeared before him. 

Quite frankly, I find it bizarre that no one involved in the matter paused for a moment to ask how this could be justified, or to consider whether it was in the best interest of the clients to brief all-white legal teams to argue the matter.

The problem was compounded by the response of one of the implicated white lawyers, Johan Brand SC, who refused to make a submission to the court as directed by the judge. Instead, he addressed a contemptuous memorandum to the judge (which has since been widely circulated), seemingly premised on the assumption that there was nothing wrong with racially discriminatory briefing practices, or at the very least, that it was outrageous to expect Brand or any other lawyer to be concerned about such matters, let alone to do something about them.

Among the many claims made by Brand in the memorandum is that section 9(2) of the Constitution guarantees all clients the right to choose whomever they desire to represent them in a court of law. Brand also claimed that he “could find nothing in section 9 or, for that matter, the whole of the Constitution of South Africa, that compels any attorney and/or client to appoint counsel of a certain race, creed, religion or sex,”

The reasoning here is an embarrassment, suggesting that the poor clients in this case may not necessarily have had the benefit of the best available counsel (possibly not even the best available white male counsel). 

The problem is not only that the first claim by Brand quoted above is obviously wrong in law — if section 9(2) guarantees any right, it is a right to affirmative action measures. 

A misconception


The larger problem is that the overall argument is overly simplistic and based on a misconception: the issue is not whether there is a specific provision in the Constitution that compels an attorney to appoint counsel of a certain race or sex, but whether the Constitution has anything to say about skewed briefing patterns in terms of race and sex, or about the need for the profession to take active steps to address them.

In any event, section 9(2) of the Constitution makes clear that it is permissible to implement redress measures “designed to protect or advance persons, or categories of persons, disadvantaged by unfair discrimination … to promote the achievement of equality.” 

This includes measures aimed at addressing skewed briefing patterns. As the Constitutional Court has held in Minister of Finance v Van Heerden and other judgments, such measures may often be required to work towards the achievement of equality. One could quibble about how this should be done to ensure compliance with section 9(2), but it is daft to suggest that the legal profession is exempt from the obligation imposed by section 9(2).

Even if this had not been the case, there are other compelling legal, ethical and pragmatic reasons why it would be wrong for members of the legal profession to take the view that there is nothing wrong with fielding an all-male and all-white legal team, or that it has nothing to do with them if a briefing attorney or client selects an all-male and all-white team of lawyers to represent them.

The most obvious point is that it is inherently unfair, as it unjustly disadvantages lawyers for no other reason than the fact that they happen not to be white and male. Of course, some will argue that this is not so, presumably based on the racist and sexist assumption that when an all-white and all-male team is briefed, it is always done purely on “merit”.

But what constitutes “merit” is contested. Obviously, some lawyers are much better at their job than others and obviously, this matters quite a bit (as is well illustrated by the legal travails of the former Public Protector), but when “merit” is defined by and with reference to white men, it will inevitably set a standard which would judge those who are not white men more harshly and look kindlier on white male mediocrity. 

(A similar problem arises when an ANC deployment committee defines merit purely in terms of loyalty to a specific politician or factions within the party.)

This is one of the reasons why the Equality Act — binding on all persons, which for purposes of the Act include attorneys and their clients, law firms, and advocates — prohibits unfair discrimination. This means that a client or an attorney who consistently briefs only white men will be presumed to be discriminating unfairly (and thus unlawfully) on the grounds of race and/or sex. 

It is difficult to understand how any white male advocate who benefits from such unfair discrimination could then turn around and claim that this has nothing to do with them, and then act as if a great wrong was done to them when they are called out. 

Pragmatism


There is also a pragmatic, even self-serving, reason why lawyers and their clients should be worried about appointing or serving in all-white and all-male legal teams. I am thinking here about the likelihood that such a legal team will not be the best possible team to handle the case, or at least not the team that would best serve the interests of the client.

The problem is not only that an attorney or a client who favours white and male lawyers has a smaller and less competent pool of people to pick from; it is also that a racially and gender-diverse team of lawyers would be less likely to have blind spots about life and the law or deficits in skills and knowledge, and thus less likely to be brought low by groupthink.

In short, the (at the very least) incestuous practice of appointing all-male and all-white legal teams breeds (or perpetuates) a special kind of elite mediocrity. The only people who seem to be oblivious to this problem are those who benefit from it.

The failure of attorneys and their clients, as well as advocates, to take active steps to address briefing patterns skewed by race and gender is also bad for the legal system in general and the judiciary more specifically. It deprives many talented black and women lawyers of the opportunities and experience that would better prepare them for a judicial role, thus either making it more difficult for them to be appointed in the first place, or setting them up for possible failure if they were lucky enough to be appointed. 

Section 174(2) of the Constitution rightly states that the “need for the judiciary to reflect broadly the racial and gender composition of South Africa must be considered when judicial officers are appointed”. The effective implementation of this section requires members of the legal profession to play their part in transforming the legal profession. As the response by Brand SC quoted above illustrates, not all members of the legal profession understand or accept this fact.

It is true that the Judicial Service Commission has not always covered itself in glory with its appointment of judges, not least because it has sometimes appointed timid, mediocre, and rather conservative judges — both black and white, both male and female — while declining to appoint or promote some competent, strong-willed judges. But their task has been made more difficult by members of the legal profession who deny that the profession has a race and gender problem and bristle and get defensive when they are called on to account for being complicit.

What they do not understand or — perhaps — care about (is this what happens when one keeps to the white Afrikaner laager?) is how nihilistic and counter-productive their self-serving denialism is. DM

Comments

Hennie Schoeman Feb 29, 2024, 07:25 AM

So much so for Pres Mandela choosing Wim Trengrove to present him on occasion. Merit?? Surely merit is the only driving factor.

J vN Feb 29, 2024, 07:26 AM

If the honorable Prof de Vos is to be taken seriously, and if he believed even one word of his own preachy column above, he'd waste no time in proving his commitment to what he wrote. I would expect no less than an immediate resignation from his academic post, in favour of a black academic. Anything less would simply prove that the nonsense above is yet more posturing and woke hypocrisy.

Ben Harper Feb 29, 2024, 07:36 AM

The Judge needs to be removed from the bench and disbarred immediately

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 07:43 PM

He will await 'your' dismissal with hahaha !

joules-airbase-0b Mar 1, 2024, 04:38 AM

Clearly, having a black in place is more important than the law, the country, honest government, fairness and efficiency. And it's why Africa will continue to fail.

Steven D Feb 29, 2024, 07:50 AM

"The problem is not only that an attorney or a client who favours white and male lawyers has a... less competent pool of people to pick from..." What exactly are you implying here, Pierre?

alastairmgf Feb 29, 2024, 08:05 AM

I agree with you except your statement that you can “change your gender”. No you can’t. There are only two genders, male and female. A person who suffers from gender dysphoria might wish they were the opposite sex, they might change their name, wear different clothes and in certain circumstances makeup, but they will remain the gender they were born until the day they die. I feel desperately sorry for them and believe they should be protected from abuse and harm but notwithstanding this they cannot and never will “change their gender”.

david clegg clegg Feb 29, 2024, 08:09 AM

Well, I am an old, white, legally trained, un-woke individual who thought Mr De Vos' article was timely, well reasoned and sensible.

Gerrie Pretorius Feb 29, 2024, 03:07 PM

Good for you! Now enjoy your retirement.

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 07:49 PM

"Sensible" is a rare commodity in this day and age and milieu ... being 'heard/seen' as an insider is too pressing an opportunity to pass up .. no matter how infantile the comment/s.

Wendy Dewberry Feb 29, 2024, 08:10 AM

It's quite interesting to read the comments on an opinion. There is a hidden curriculum at school which overtly attempts us to be slightly more socialised and "play the ball and not the man". Except in all white all boys all privilege schools where the "jews, the nerds and gays" are pulverized in every way. And that character is blaringly apparent in these responses. Needless to say - all this blind attitude begins in schools that promote separateness. We should perhaps try educate our society from early childhood education but that's probably going to take another 1000 years of civilization. In the meantime. Be lekker. Don't be a jerk. And its always meaningful and thought- provoking to read educated, well written, respectful arguments.

Rodney Weidemann Feb 29, 2024, 09:34 AM

Well said, Wendy!

Mark Parker Feb 29, 2024, 10:30 AM

Wendy...rather discuss the opinion piece of Pierre de Vos and whether you agree or disagree with some or all of his synopsis. Yes, a lot of the comments that get posted are rather non-sensical and don't provide any logical arguments. However, your jew-, nerd-, gay-bashing by "private school educated white boys/men" which is reflected in the comment section of the DM, seems to have been posted more from a place of personal issues rather than an objective view. Further to this, it is primarily the "privileged" schools who try and promote cohesiveness which in many cases is backfiring spectacularly if you look at the overt racism that is prevalent in particularly all-girls privileged schools. So to your point...your post is neither meaningful, thought-provoking and is definitely not a well written argument and it is in fact "not lekker" and you are being a "subversive jerk".

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 08:00 PM

For your information re "objective view" ... some time ago Dr Neville Alexander in a public discourse, began with the opening statement/confession ... " there is no such thing as objectivity" and proceeded to put his 'cards' on the table. Regarding your last observation ... you are entitled to your 'opinion' ... no matter how misguided or uninformed or misogynistic it is .

joules-airbase-0b Mar 1, 2024, 04:49 AM

And unlike you, she'll actually fight for your right to have it, whereas you would rather empower individuals who actively work against democracy and free speech as long as their views ( as misguided, uninformed, homophobic, racist, corrupt, immoral and plain downright ignorant they may be ) conform with yours. Whilst there may not be such a thing as objectivity, there are indeed more objective and less objective perspectives, and that's assuming Alexander even knew what he was talking about considering how many other ex-residents of Robben Island lost both their morality and their intellects. Clearly yours qualify as less objective due to them not being based in fact, being justified by unethical viewpoints and their toxicity.

Telana Magill Feb 29, 2024, 08:14 AM

I am not sure where the writer is hoping to garner consensus from? Clearly he is aiming very low.

sfdhammon Feb 29, 2024, 09:05 AM

A trough of convoluted, whispy, grasping own goals and self-harm. It's painful trying to read someone so brimming with hatred that the thought of an other uniform group drives him into as froth spasm.

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 08:01 PM

Ditto ... about yourself !

joules-airbase-0b Mar 1, 2024, 04:50 AM

That's truly rich coming from someone so deeply mired in an identity based prejudice. Your very words condemn you.

Middle aged Mike Mar 1, 2024, 01:25 PM

Well said James. I'd go further than prejudice though, I think it's actually hate.

Peter Oosthuizen Feb 29, 2024, 08:20 AM

Didn't anyone tell them that Dali Mpofu was busy?

Sergei Rostov Feb 29, 2024, 08:27 AM

"The problem is not only that the first claim by Brand quoted above is obviously wrong in law — if section 9(2) guarantees any right, it is a right to affirmative action measures." I'm afraid it is the author who is "obviously wrong". Section 9 (2) permits affirmative action - it does not give a right to affirmative action.

zipkoppie Feb 29, 2024, 08:27 AM

So what you are saying is that you can judge how good someone is at their job, or their level of skills and their motivations just by the color of their skin? Seems a bit racist if you ask me.

megapode Feb 29, 2024, 08:36 AM

There's something missing in the telling of this story, not just from the author's opinions. It is hinted at with the reference to "a client or an attorney who consistently briefs only white men". Now why does that happen? You're dealing with your old mates who you trust? Also is there a duty on the legal profession to grant opportunities to those less experienced or who are having trouble gaining experience? After all, the four lawyers here must all have started somewhere, must all have needed some help on the way up. Questionable behaviour by Brand. Would he have been so confrontational if the judge were not black? Yes, I know... but we need to ask these questions. There is still a lot of racism about. It wasn't magically turned off by throwing a switch in 1994.

Geoff Coles Feb 29, 2024, 09:22 AM

But Bob, when it4 your money and lawyer fees so high, surely you choose someone who you can consider best represents your case.

Amadeus Figaro Feb 29, 2024, 09:57 AM

“Questionable behaviour by Brand. Would he have been so confrontational if the judge were not black?” The assumption from this is implied racist contempt on the part of Brand and that his conduct is influenced by the Judge’s race not the philosophy or ideology. Indulging this thinking, would Brand “the racist” confronted with the same intervention by a white judge have been more respectful to a “race traitor” what black people curiously call an “Uncle Tom?” I guess we would never know. Incidentally a black lawyer arguing against gvt on affirmative action would be called a sell out.

Karl Sittlinger Feb 29, 2024, 01:26 PM

“Also is there a duty on the legal profession to grant opportunities to those less experienced or who are having trouble gaining experience?” But this duty does not extend to the client, who should have the right to decide what ever legal team he wants. In this country selecting all white representation is probably a bad idea (as we clearly see the judges prejudices now coming into play, this judge already has a negative view of this client and who is representing him/her and it is completely justified to now ask for a recusal), but clearly the final choice is the clients and should not be prescribed by judges, journalists or law professors. “Questionable behaviour by Brand. Would he have been so confrontational if the judge were not black?” Pure assumptions and heavy prejudice here. Have we actually heard anyone give us reasons yet? Would you even listen to reasons if they were given? “There is still a lot of racism about. It wasn’t magically turned off by throwing a switch in 1994.” Yes but that doesn’t mean we need to assume racism is everywhere all the time. That’s the modern take of CRT (just like the view that only white people can be racist) and is simply wrong

Steven D Feb 29, 2024, 01:41 PM

Bob, with respect, clients in the legal profession - my profession - are not willing to spend their money or risk their cases just because there is, in your words only, a "duty" on attorneys to brief less experienced counsel. Clients want the best. Whether the best is black, white, coloured, Asian or otherwise does not factor into it. If you're a crap counsel, I won't brief you. If you do brief a crap counsel, the first question a client will ask is why you did so when better options existed.

A M Feb 29, 2024, 08:49 AM

Pierre has said a mouthful. Brand SC's response to the judge says more about him and his views on transformation in general in the legal fraternity than it says anything about the judge's inquiries - relevant to the case at hand or not.

Amadeus Figaro Feb 29, 2024, 10:49 AM

Give us a black lawyer willing to argue in open court against BEE

A M Feb 29, 2024, 01:59 PM

LPC has a long list of lawyers who can argue any matter based on the merits and facts. Your comment is suggestive that Black lawyers cannot or are incapable of "arguing in an open court against BEE". And that's the problem. Either way, whether they can argue that or not, as long as your case is based on FACTS and the lLAW - and not DA-like arguments as we saw recently and have seen over the years, including that for as long as they are not SAIRR-inspired, or Solidarity-/Afriforum-influenced on unsubstantiated facts and law - then you'd nothing to worry about. Absent that, then you will seemingly obviously not put up a proper argument before a judge.

joules-airbase-0b Mar 1, 2024, 04:55 AM

Perhaps you should take your own advice and base your arguments on facts and the law rather than on wild and unsupported bitchiness aimed at the DA. Why don't you consider the manifestly wrong socialist inspired nonsense spouted by the ANC ? You hardly help the case for objective black lawyers by foaming at the mouth with unsubstaniciated tropes you claim are facts about anyone you don't seem to like.

bianca_albes Feb 29, 2024, 08:56 AM

On what basis does de Vos and the judge presume that the client chose white lawyers on the basis of their race? Furthermore, is the judge's demand not in contravention of s9.3 of the Constitution which makes clear that the state (in this case, court) may not discriminate on the basis of race? Additionally, are all black lawyers "disadvantaged by unfair discrimination" (s9.2), or is this just another unwarranted (and racist) presumption made by the judge and Vossie? These are factual matters for evidence - and probably should be thoroughly ventilated, perhaps in impeachment proceedings.

A M Mar 1, 2024, 09:09 AM

S9 talks about transformation across the Republic, including the legal fraternity.

Sydney Kaye Feb 29, 2024, 09:09 AM

"Quite frankly, I find it bizarre that no one involved in the matter paused for a moment to ask how this could be justified, or to consider whether it was in the best interest of the clients to brief all-white legal teams to argue the matter". This is an example of the non sequiturs that ran through this piece. Did the writer " pause for a moment" to speculate that they did not consider it was in the best interests of their clients to brief an all-white legal team, but considered it was in the best intetests of their clients to brief the legal team they had chosen.

Graeme Feb 29, 2024, 09:09 AM

MNS Attorneys in Johannesburg is a proudly 100% black legal firm in Illovo, Johannesburg. They are so proud about it they have an advertising billboard up at JNB airport advertising the fact. I would be interested to know how the judge would have responded should the entire legal team in the case in question been black instead of white.

tonsbe Feb 29, 2024, 11:08 AM

Of course not, that doesn't count, only the reverse!

T'Plana Hath Feb 29, 2024, 01:40 PM

And I would be interested to know how the judge would have responded in a case where an all-heterosexual team was about to make arguments on a gay issue - assuming that the judge and respondents are also gay. If a judge has 'strong feelings' about one of the parties or the make-up of their representatives, that should immediately disqualify them as an impartial arbiter, Shirley? What is really your problem here, Mr De Vos? Is it because they are all white men and not demographically representative? Is it because this particular client ???????????? hires all white male legal teams? Or is it because they are all white men and this is a black issue? Did you get ??????'? too much as a kid? You're 'on so many levels' that your central argument is inscrutable to me.

Geoff Coles Feb 29, 2024, 09:11 AM

Was the Judge appointed through ANC cadre selection.... his thoughts were not germane to the issue notwithstanding an underlying concern across the legal profession

michele35 Feb 29, 2024, 09:26 AM

Valid questions from the justice and comments from de Vos but perhaps the matter would have been better handled in chambers and the questions probably directed at the briefing attorneys vis the taxi cab rule application for counsel. Sometimes you need to poke the hornet's nest to get to the hornets. If you look at the Shell case the state employed a white counsel whereas the (CIA sponsored - according to Mantashe) environmental lobby did not. Why was the matter of legal representation of the state not also raised at the time? Perhaps these discussions should be stripped of emotion and politics and best handled in a public open forum by the legal profession itself with a view to planning for a future where freedom of choice and association in the context of our divided society will not necessarily or always be equated with racism.

Ben Harper Feb 29, 2024, 09:41 AM

The judge had no right to ask the question, it's not his place, it had absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.

Amadeus Figaro Feb 29, 2024, 09:33 AM

It will be politically interesting to get a black lawyer arguing against affirmative action or race quotas.

André Maree Feb 29, 2024, 09:38 AM

Pierre, I am afraid this is a load of woke BS. What you are hinting at is parties, applicants and respondents, must up front coordinate (organise a raffle) to choose council? Not only is it completely impractical but I venture to see possibly undemocratic and even unconstitutional. Please stop taking on every woke cause.

cgdeegs56 Feb 29, 2024, 09:53 AM

It would appear that de Vos dived into this issue head first, without any real research or consideration. Not a good thing for a Professor of Law! The all white team for the Commission was briefed by the State Attorney, NR Baloyi, who has defended their right to choose whomever they wish on merit and experience. Likewise, the plaintiff, a private company, has defended their right to choose counsel on the same basis. This rant can only be described as a pathetic attempt by de Vos to keep his name in print.

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 08:13 PM

I assume you are a 'emeritus' professor of law ?

joules-airbase-0b Mar 1, 2024, 04:57 AM

Are you ?

Amadeus Figaro Mar 2, 2024, 10:52 AM

In fact the appointment of these white lawyers was in compliance with quotas that had seen 81% of briefings for the particular month go to black lawyers. Got to love quotas.

JDW 2023 Feb 29, 2024, 09:57 AM

Whilst I am not going to be as petty in my wording in my criticism of this article as others have been, I am struggling to agree with you Pierre. Yes I am a white male, but I am still not buying into your arguments which were so strongly put in how Brand SC was so wrong in effect complaining. There was a radio interview on this matter that was aired live yesterday and the legal expert that they had indicated that it is client/attorney privilege as to how legal representation is chosen and executed in a court before a judge and that privilege is cast in stone. Thus my understanding is that the clients in this matter had complete freedom in whom they sought to represent them in court and how this was done. And also, you have not pointed out that that Judge Motha has essentially brought his impartiality into question by making his requests before he has heard the case, rather than making an observation in his ruling. I hear you Pierre, but I am still not convinced that the legal team is in the wrong here.

ka Feb 29, 2024, 10:41 AM

All that this white heterosexual male can say is: We will not be taken down by this wokish drivel. If you want to subdue us or be better than us - doing it on merit is the only thing that will work.

le3fyy Feb 29, 2024, 04:37 PM

Your comment is unfair, completely misrepresents and twists his point, and you've taken away more value from this entire article and comment section than what you've contributed.

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 09:27 PM

JDW .. even I without any legal background ... is that not the same kind of argument the defenders of the Israeli regime made about the case before the ICJ being 'baseless' ... 'without merit' ...'without standing' etc ... even before it was heard ? All legal 'counsels' surely try to convince their client/s that they have a winnable case ? Why else would they 'take on' the case ?

corne_els Feb 29, 2024, 10:27 AM

Chapter 2 of our constitution calls for the creation of a non-racial society. How will we achieve this if we keep classifying people by race?

Gerrie Pretorius Feb 29, 2024, 03:23 PM

Ask the anc. As (non)government, they make the laws.

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 09:31 PM

By ignoring that apartheid ... like slavery and colonialism did not happen ? Lets just forget what that system did ?

Ben Harper Mar 1, 2024, 05:00 AM

Aw diddums

joules-airbase-0b Mar 1, 2024, 05:06 AM

Slavery, which neither you nor any of your forebears experienced, is neither relevant nor appropriate here but is being used to muddy the waters because you do not have a sound case based on facts. Slavery, apartheid and colonialism are used to draw attention away from the real issues. Why don't you stop your nonsense and defence your arguments with facts and logic rather than red-herrings. What's more, if it were not for colonialism, you would not have the law right now, there would not be a legal system, there would not be black lawyers, in fact, you would not even have reading and writing because those two skills, as well as the concept of law, the law itself and a legal system are gifts to Africa that were given it by colonialism. When colonists arrived at the Cape there was no law except the law of the bush.

ST ST Mar 1, 2024, 07:20 AM

So low! People should be grateful to the master for whatever, they owe master for their very existence! Mustn't be a nuisance & complain about the made up generational crimes against them, no crimes committed! All only good for you! Presuming you don't believe in legacy whatever your beginning, you can confidently rule it out as to reasons you do/ think a certain way. Which may then affect the way your child think/do and so forth. Or is that kind of thinking only reserved for rich people on a shrink's couch? D'you know the amount of fortitude required to beat the odds? What is the probability of success against any one for anyone, even you

johnbpatson Feb 29, 2024, 10:31 AM

Surely the answer, in a free and democratic South Africa, is to bring back jury trials. I have been in a few, in the UK, where haughty, very clever lawyers have to strip back their fancy arguments to the fundamentals before juries (while immediately switching back to arguing about the sex of angels with the judge when the jury is out). Or does the legal profession, black and white, believe "the masses" are too thick?

PETER BAKER Feb 29, 2024, 10:32 AM

It is precisely for this sort of misbegotten logic that South Africa will never progress into any semblance of non-racial society. The very people who punt that WE must put away our prejudices and pre-conceived ideas, are the most racialistic (being racialistic means being aware of race....yours and mine, as opposed to racist, which implies a hatred / dislike of other races) of all of us. Mr Ve Vos wants to actively gerrymander every aspect of our lives in order to meet some sort of quota floating around in his head. Its BS. Sometimes you roll 2 sixes and sometimes snake eyes. It's the way things roll. If we carry his logic then those in his "white Afrikaner laager" would never watch Bafana Bafana because there is not a single white guy on the team. Perhaps this entire stuffed up country of ours....which we all just so happen to love, in our own way, should emulate one of the only things which is hugely successful, loved by everyone in the country, is the best in world, works like a well-oiled machine, an organization in which there is not an iota of racialism or racism......The Springboks.

tonsbe Feb 29, 2024, 10:42 AM

Nonsense Sir. An accused/plaintiff is free to appoint any legal representatives he wants. He is not obliged by race regulations. What if a white patient appoints a white surgeon and other white specialists for conduct his heart operation? Is this also against the law/constitution?

Stephen Mullins Feb 29, 2024, 10:43 AM

The underlying assumption of the article is that racial (even racist) bias was the reason only white advocates were appointed - it was because of their race, not because the client and attorney thought they were the best available for the particular case. There is no basis at all for that - defamatory - assumption. And so white male advocates should refuse a brief unless assured that other lawyers involved will not be white males? Never mind the "cab rank" rule which that an advocate, (at least members of the GCB bars) are bound to accept a brief even when they might prefer not to be involved in a case. Wild guess - Pierre de Vos has never been in Practice.

Steven D Feb 29, 2024, 01:46 PM

I concur with your wild guess!

Jo Van Feb 29, 2024, 10:53 AM

I have always enjoyed reading what Pierre de Vos wrote and I never failed to read an article written by him, for several years now. I am however very disappointed by this article as he is clearly wrong in referring to "a permission" as an "obligation". I wonder what he was smoking before he wrote this as it is very unlike him and his arguments for the benefits of mixed teams are also feeble and irrational. How would including less experienced people, to enable them to gain experience, lead to the team being stronger than a team consisting of 100% experienced people. I am concerned that he has made a big blunder with this article and he should make a statement about what he had smoked and undertake to abstain from that in future so we can expect quality thinking and writing from him again.

sean20 Feb 29, 2024, 10:54 AM

The English have a great term that applies perfectly to this - bollocks! You do the aims of employment equity no justice with this drivel Sir. This is not sports you talking about where quotas can be imposed and to suggest a person should have to take into consideration colour, pro-nouns or race when selecting a legal team is absurd beyond belief.

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 09:50 PM

Keep on dreaming ... but remember to wake up some time !

joules-airbase-0b Mar 1, 2024, 05:10 AM

It's interesting, do your kids go to schools with white teachers or black teachers ? Do you use a cellphone engineered by a local engineer or a foreign one ? Do you advocate legal practices developed in Africa or the West ? People in glass houses really should not throw stones.

blommie2np Feb 29, 2024, 11:09 AM

So then it would also be equally wrong for a litigant to choose an all black male legal team.

Cobble Dickery Feb 29, 2024, 11:14 AM

The countries that advance use MPH. Merit, Pragmatism and Honesty. If the best potato peelers happen all to be pink, then so be it. We know we are getting the best there is. Surely that's what matters, only!! When are we going to mature up to realise that colour does not matter - it's quality merit. Yes, agreed the previously disadvantaged must be assisted. But once assisted that's it. They can't go on being assisted. This deprives others who genuinely warrant assistance. When they have reached the peak of their abilities that's it. There must be an end. Otherwise it becomes a self admission that you are inferior and need a permanent crutch in the world to cut it - which to me would be insulting (but not to some it would seem!). Things like wealthy black parents demanding educational subsides simply because they are black and or connected and not because they are financially disadvantaged. The minute you impose ideologies like socialism, apartheid, communism, wokism this nonsense starts to happen and then you start not getting the best. Classic example Unterhalter is a world class legal brain and would be snapped up at the higest level elsewhere in the world, , but no, he is white and, worse, Jewish so what do we get: Hlophe's - not becuse he is black - but simply because he is not the best. . Watch NHI. I wonder if De Vos understands this?

akporef7 Feb 29, 2024, 11:14 AM

While section 17(2) highlights importance of diversity, the Judge going out of his way to address issue thats not being raised in court is what concerns me. If its allowed it could be abused. There ought to be a better channrl to address such LEGITIMATE concerns!

Pieter van de Venter Feb 29, 2024, 11:42 AM

There even seem to be confusion where the hon Judge Motha is based. The learned de Vos reports the clever judge is part of the Western Cape High court and News24 reports he is part of the Pretoria High Court. Is the confusion with the judge or with the esteemed de Vos? Surely it is not for the judge to decide who the client is allowed to appoint? I am no expert, but I sort of remember there is also a provision in the Constitution about Freedom of Association? Surely the ANC cadres and their domesticated judges cannot dictate who represents who?

Steven D Feb 29, 2024, 01:49 PM

Pieter, there is absolutely no requirement that clients or attorneys appoint a counsel based on anything. Judges do not get to decide this either.

Mike the old man . Feb 29, 2024, 11:51 AM

I don't recall seeing a white lawyer in the Senzo Meyiwa trial, even the judges were black. How does that work?

T'Plana Hath Feb 29, 2024, 12:56 PM

The judge's 'problem' is that once again the white devils/oppressors are making pronouncements on what is (in his mind) essentially a black issue. Can't have that.

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 10:43 PM

And .. you just can't / won't tolerate that .. as you probably did during apartheid ? Off course you did not vote for it ... it just 'happened"!

Ben Harper Mar 1, 2024, 05:02 AM

and the chip just grows and grows

Middle aged Mike Mar 1, 2024, 12:59 PM

That's pretty weak sauce. Some might even think of it as casually racist.

janmalan Feb 29, 2024, 11:54 AM

The majority of people in SA are black. By that token alone why are there not more black lawyers representing the majority namely the blacks or are they also hiring white lawyers? There was a time this happened in the security domain. Whites and blacks were hiring white security guards. This over time evened out where blacks and whites are surrounded by black security guards. I believe as in the security domain the minute blacks start hiring black lawyers the situation will even out and you will start seeing black lawyers representing white and black clients but blacks will have to start the process and the situation will improve dramatically.

Tim Price Feb 29, 2024, 12:00 PM

I think the good judge needs to be commended for noting the irony of the situation, but surely he should not be stepping into the arena in this way? All he has done is create a furor, harden attitudes and created a climate of enmity between the bench and the legal teams, possibly at the expense of the litigants in this case. I am not sure that Judges, or law professors for that matter, fully understand the difficulty litigants face in just getting their cases heard, let alone having to put up with lack lustre judges and racial quota queries. The Judge has just added to their legal costs too. It could be argued that as a result of the race based transformation agenda for the judiciary, many white senior counsel are overlooked for the bench and remain in private practice, swelling the ranks of lawyers available for all white legal teams out there.

T'Plana Hath Feb 29, 2024, 01:00 PM

Oh, go away with your reason and logic! We don't do that here.

Kanu Sukha Feb 29, 2024, 10:48 PM

You mean ... let 'it' take care of itself ? Let sleeping dogs lie ? Surely not ? Imagine if Bizos had done that during his time !

Miss Jellybean Feb 29, 2024, 12:17 PM

For some people it is more a language barrier issue when appointing legal representation. I personally would rather have an english speaking black lawyer than a white afrikaans lawyer as I find the language barrier with afrikaans too big an issue.

The Proven Feb 29, 2024, 12:30 PM

De Vos, this is possibly one of the most racist articles I have read in a long time. You use words like "Afrikaner Laager", "bristle" and "nihilistic" to describe people that have a different view to you - just by doing that you have negated (and comprehensively lost) your argument. If you have to resort to name-calling to get your point across, you are clearly wrong. On merit, in short, you argue (very poorly in my view) that it is wrong for legal teams to be all white. What are you going to argue next? That white men may not marry white ladies, because then the marriage will be all white? That Elon Musk may not deploy Starlink in South Africa because he is white? (Oh wait, that has already happened). Your indignation should be directed at the persons that appointed those advocates, not the advocates themselves.

Theresa Avenant Feb 29, 2024, 01:00 PM

There are many great thinkers in this country - black, white, male and female. Pierre de Vos is one of them. Methinks the proverbial men of the laager doth protest too much.

Ben Harper Mar 1, 2024, 05:03 AM

No he's not, he blew that completely

Ritey roo roo Feb 29, 2024, 01:35 PM

Is this Judge Mandlenkosi Motha not the same one that boasted he only achieved his position because of affirmative action?

P C Hem Feb 29, 2024, 02:23 PM

If the legal teams had of been all black men, there would have no controversy, there would have been silence because no one would have said anything. I close my case your honour.

sylvia hammond Feb 29, 2024, 02:54 PM

I wonder how many of these "commentators" have actually read - or understood - our Constitution? What did they think our 1994 project was? Yes, we may aim for equality, but we have centuries of white male privilege to redress first. Pierre de Vos notes how perpetuation of such exclusive privilege breeds a mediocrity, to which those who benefit appear oblivious - confirmed by the ultimate arrogance of their response.

Ben Harper Mar 1, 2024, 05:04 AM

Rubbish

joules-airbase-0b Mar 1, 2024, 05:19 AM

And only true idiots think you can eliminate one form of discrimination by practising another. Using discrimination to fix discrimination is like raping to prevent rape.

Karl Sittlinger Feb 29, 2024, 04:00 PM

It's not about your criticism of the DA, but whether "judgement is passed on DM columnists according to whether or not they lick the boots of the DA", which is incorrect (unless you make the erroneous assumption that not agreeing with the author of this opinionista equates to being a DA supporter). Your other comment really just underlines this: "the commenters to who tend to dislike anything that doesn’t fit with what they see as anti-Woke and not 100% based on whatever merit is, and who tend to trot out cliches like “woke” against anybody who doesn’t genuflect when the virtuous initials are mentioned or who doesn’t generally toe the line" The word "woke" has nearly become meaningless, which is why I don't use it anymore, but resistance against some of the DEI initiatives and theories that often are the main gripes with the "woke" ideology doesn't automatically imply any specific party one needs to "genuflect" to. Your comment was a response to a comment that didn't mention the DA at all, just the word woke. I am not twisting anything here, these are your words.

Karl Sittlinger Feb 29, 2024, 04:55 PM

Apologies this was a response to a thread from Bob Dubery far above, somehow the web tool created a new thread instead of adding it to the existing thread.

dov Feb 29, 2024, 04:54 PM

Ingrained racism, the only criteria should be competence. Black, White, Green, Yellow should be irrelevant. A forced choice according to colour, gender or religion perpetuates racism.

Pieter Malan Feb 29, 2024, 05:19 PM

So will the judge have the same instruction if I arrive in his court with an all black counsil?

ST ST Feb 29, 2024, 07:29 PM

If you understand institutionalised racism then you know that its machinery works itself such that the choices 'you make' seem logical, reasonable and justified unless picked at forensically. Even the people it works against become it's unwitting supporters. Immigrants hate new immigrants. Black on black violence etc. The UK & US who claimed all are equal centuries ago are still surprised to find it's remnants. Inst. racism must be corrected whomever, where ever. Uncritical/overcorrection is also bad. 1994 was meant to first do some levelling up. That needed an equally educated and accomplished selection in any industry. What were/are the chances all races were equally capable then and now? If one was already in the home stretch when others are just starting out...guess who always wins and it retains the ultimate power.

ST ST Feb 29, 2024, 08:13 PM

Same goes for institutionalised sexism. The fact that so many centuries later we're still celebrating first black this, first female that! US still waiting for first female president even women rather have Trump!

Confucious Says Feb 29, 2024, 08:04 PM

Picking anything for any reason other than merit is rubbish! You get what you pay for. If it's all black, so be it. If it's all white, so be it! If it's mixed, so be it. But don't force it because of colour. That would be stupid.

Middle aged Mike Mar 1, 2024, 10:59 AM

I wonder how many decades of democracy it will take before affirmative action, EE and BBBEE etc are regarded as having failed so spectacularly that they get dropped. On second thoughts I don't.

patrick57 Mar 3, 2024, 11:08 PM

Thank God the world is finally starting to see the stupidity of retrogressive, Marxist neo-tribal woke gobbledygook. Nothing more than academic DEI/ BLM virtue signalling of the socialist elite wanting to feather their own insidious nests. Question to Pierre de Vos - what the hell has the colour of one's skin got to do with professional competence? This is racism and a hankering for the apartheid days of old.

Water Buffalo Mar 29, 2024, 05:17 PM

Great article!