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Ramaphosa warns of ‘fightback’ and ‘regime change agenda’ after ICJ ruling

In his closing address at the ANC lekgotla in Boksburg on Tuesday, party president Cyril Ramaphosa reflected on South Africa’s case against Israel at the International Court of Justice and warned of ‘systematic fightback campaigns’.
Ramaphosa warns of ‘fightback’ and ‘regime change agenda’ after ICJ ruling The ANC has warned that a fightback campaign against South Africa is likely to take place after the country hauled Israel before the International Court of Justice (ICJ), which granted provisional measures to prevent Israel from committing genocide against the Palestinian people. Ramaphosa was addressing the National Executive Committee (NEC) lekgotla on Tuesday afternoon at the Birchwood Hotel in Boksburg, Ekurhuleni, when he highlighted the risks of the country’s stance on the war in the Middle East. “As we reflect on this matter we must be mindful that our success has exposed not only atrocities that have been carried out by the state of Israel, but it has also exposed the moral bankruptcy of those countries who, by their acts of omission and commission, are allowing genocide to take place in Gaza on their watch. We say this humbly, without pointing fingers. “We are aware there will be systematic fightback campaigns, and I say this so that we are aware of it. There will be no doubt that these forces will do anything in their power to prevent SA from concluding their case on the merits of the matter,” he said. Read more in Daily Maverick: Diplomatic fallout of ICJ ruling on Israel could put SA’s Agoa renewal at risk As the country gears up for what has been dubbed the most important election since 1994, Ramaphosa claimed these forces may want to have a hand in the upcoming polls. “The fightback may focus on our domestic politics and our electoral outcomes in order to pursue a regime change agenda. Some people have said this was a David and Goliath contest,” he said. “We must be aware that while we have done what we believe was driven by our conscience and principles, and while we took the matter to the courts which were set up by those who were there, we are blamed for taking the matter to the courts that they have set up and we should be blamed for that. “We need to be absolutely vigilant and resolute and so we must end by saying the path ahead is not an easy one, but we should never doubt the capacity of the ANC-led government,” he said. Read more in Daily Maverick: ICJ decision brought ANC-led government to the right side of history — and will help at the 2024 elections [caption id="attachment_2032562" align="alignnone" width="720"]ramaphosa nec mbeki Former president Thabo Mbeki at the African National Congress National Executive Committee Lekgotla Programme in Boksburg on 30 January 2024. (Photo: Gallo Images / OJ Koloti)[/caption] Ramaphosa said the ANC would contribute to negotiations in the conflict between the two nations, adding to speculation that former president Thabo Mbeki could be part of the team representing the governing party. “Following our case, we are now being asked if we are willing to participate in whatever form of discussion that could end this conflict, and we said yes.” Last Friday, a majority of judges presiding over the ICJ case granted most of the measures requested by South Africa to prevent a rising genocide in Gaza and the rest of Palestine. But it stopped short of the most important — ordering a ceasefire in a one-sided war that’s been dragging on for three months. The court said that while accurate figures are not available, it accepted that the conflict had caused the deaths of 25,700 people, most of whom are Palestinian women and children. More than 63,000 people had been injured, while over 300,000 homes (the majority of Palestinian housing stock) had been destroyed. Read more in Daily Maverick: ICJ ruling in SA’s genocide case against Israel lauded as ‘historic’ and victory for human rights Ramaphosa also used the opportunity to praise those who were involved in ensuring South Africa’s victory at the ICJ. “The lekgotla came to a unanimous view that South Africa’s unwavering support and solidarity with the people of Palestine is consistent with [the] ANC-led alliance’s traditions and policy positions. “We take this opportunity to thank all South Africans who have come out in their tens of thousands, in fact in their hundreds of thousands, to support the just cause of the Palestinian people. “We also pay tribute and commend the legal team and those who worked very hard behind the scenes to make sure that our government’s case is well represented, and we have thanked our two ministers who have played a key role. “I have called all of the lawyers personally and thanked them for the work they have done,” said Ramaphosa. The South African legal team includes senior counsel Adila Hassam and Tembeka Ngcukaitobi as well as international lawyer Max du Plessis and Professor John Dugard, an expert in international law. The team also consists of lawyers Tshidiso Ramogale, Sarah Pudifin-Jones and Lerato Zikalala. Irish lawyers Áine Ní Ghrálaigh and British barrister Vaughan Lowe are providing external counsel. DM

The ANC has warned that a fightback campaign against South Africa is likely to take place after the country hauled Israel before the International Court of Justice (ICJ), which granted provisional measures to prevent Israel from committing genocide against the Palestinian people.

Ramaphosa was addressing the National Executive Committee (NEC) lekgotla on Tuesday afternoon at the Birchwood Hotel in Boksburg, Ekurhuleni, when he highlighted the risks of the country’s stance on the war in the Middle East.

“As we reflect on this matter we must be mindful that our success has exposed not only atrocities that have been carried out by the state of Israel, but it has also exposed the moral bankruptcy of those countries who, by their acts of omission and commission, are allowing genocide to take place in Gaza on their watch. We say this humbly, without pointing fingers.

“We are aware there will be systematic fightback campaigns, and I say this so that we are aware of it. There will be no doubt that these forces will do anything in their power to prevent SA from concluding their case on the merits of the matter,” he said.

Read more in Daily Maverick: Diplomatic fallout of ICJ ruling on Israel could put SA’s Agoa renewal at risk

As the country gears up for what has been dubbed the most important election since 1994, Ramaphosa claimed these forces may want to have a hand in the upcoming polls.

“The fightback may focus on our domestic politics and our electoral outcomes in order to pursue a regime change agenda. Some people have said this was a David and Goliath contest,” he said.

“We must be aware that while we have done what we believe was driven by our conscience and principles, and while we took the matter to the courts which were set up by those who were there, we are blamed for taking the matter to the courts that they have set up and we should be blamed for that.

“We need to be absolutely vigilant and resolute and so we must end by saying the path ahead is not an easy one, but we should never doubt the capacity of the ANC-led government,” he said.

Read more in Daily Maverick: ICJ decision brought ANC-led government to the right side of history — and will help at the 2024 elections

ramaphosa nec mbeki Former president Thabo Mbeki at the African National Congress National Executive Committee Lekgotla Programme in Boksburg on 30 January 2024. (Photo: Gallo Images / OJ Koloti)



Ramaphosa said the ANC would contribute to negotiations in the conflict between the two nations, adding to speculation that former president Thabo Mbeki could be part of the team representing the governing party.

“Following our case, we are now being asked if we are willing to participate in whatever form of discussion that could end this conflict, and we said yes.”

Last Friday, a majority of judges presiding over the ICJ case granted most of the measures requested by South Africa to prevent a rising genocide in Gaza and the rest of Palestine. But it stopped short of the most important — ordering a ceasefire in a one-sided war that’s been dragging on for three months.

The court said that while accurate figures are not available, it accepted that the conflict had caused the deaths of 25,700 people, most of whom are Palestinian women and children.

More than 63,000 people had been injured, while over 300,000 homes (the majority of Palestinian housing stock) had been destroyed.

Read more in Daily Maverick: ICJ ruling in SA’s genocide case against Israel lauded as ‘historic’ and victory for human rights

Ramaphosa also used the opportunity to praise those who were involved in ensuring South Africa’s victory at the ICJ.

“The lekgotla came to a unanimous view that South Africa’s unwavering support and solidarity with the people of Palestine is consistent with [the] ANC-led alliance’s traditions and policy positions.

“We take this opportunity to thank all South Africans who have come out in their tens of thousands, in fact in their hundreds of thousands, to support the just cause of the Palestinian people.

“We also pay tribute and commend the legal team and those who worked very hard behind the scenes to make sure that our government’s case is well represented, and we have thanked our two ministers who have played a key role.

“I have called all of the lawyers personally and thanked them for the work they have done,” said Ramaphosa.

The South African legal team includes senior counsel Adila Hassam and Tembeka Ngcukaitobi as well as international lawyer Max du Plessis and Professor John Dugard, an expert in international law. The team also consists of lawyers Tshidiso Ramogale, Sarah Pudifin-Jones and Lerato Zikalala. Irish lawyers Áine Ní Ghrálaigh and British barrister Vaughan Lowe are providing external counsel. DM

Comments

Rae Earl Jan 31, 2024, 09:36 AM

Hey Mr. Ramaphosa, so you're a hero for taking Israel to court. Tell us, is it true that the ANC was bankrupt and had no cash to even pay staff salaries? And tell us, is it true that Iran bribed the ANC with so much money to embark on the ICJ action, that the party was suddenly cash rich enough to start having election rallies? Just asking.

Barbara Mommen Jan 31, 2024, 09:37 AM

Pity the same level of expertise was not brought in to fix the crumbling house when it was needed. Very fishy from a government that listens to no-one with expertise, that can think of something so important and execute is successfully. Who paid for this? Could not have been our venerable government when law enforcement officers can't be deployed to do their jobs without the begging bowl being out to the private sector to pay salaries. But that's another story. Can't help feeling that Mr Ramaphosa has been pawned (again). And willingly. Note that there is no aspersion cast on the merits or demerits of the case. Just huge question marks about how.

Beyond Fedup Jan 31, 2024, 09:42 AM

Ramaphosa - you are nothing but a spineless, hypocritical and treacherous sleaze ball, who along with your treasonous and disgusting party, has all but destroyed this country and sold it to the most vile mass-murderers on earth. Stop trying to deflect your miserable, self-imposed and grossly stupid failures on a so- called fight back by foreign forces - it is the citizens of this country who will get rid of the scum that has blighted our country ie you and your Godless party and followers.

David C Jan 31, 2024, 09:48 AM

And now the ANC strategy becomes clear. With the sure knowledge that they're about to lose power they create situations (supporting Russia, the ICJ case etc.) designed to fit their coming narrative that the elections are being influenced by "Western Imperial" forces becuase of these actions. This would give them a reason to refuse to vacate government, ala Bob Mugabe, and force a situation whereby they negotiate a power-share deal that sees them still retain power, even though the majority of Saffas don't want them.

anton kleinschmidt Jan 31, 2024, 09:50 AM

"good grief "....the kite is irretrievably tangled in the tree. Has it finally dawned on the ANC that they have been skillfully manipulated by masters in the art deflective propaganda. They will now be left to deal with the radioactive fallout of their ill considered attempts to meddle in global affairs. All that they have achieved is directing the spotlight onto their manifest failures at home and elsewhere on the global stage (Russia, Sudan, China, etc). Nobody likes hypocrites By the way, this so called "victory for justice" has probably gone completely unnoticed by their constituency as it struggles to overcome the misery inflicted on them by the ANC

jack braxton Jan 31, 2024, 09:55 AM

Why would Maverick call Gaza a one sided war. Hamas started this conflict just to get the sympathy of likeminded countries and now they cannot handle the conflict they caused. One sided reporting

T'Plana Hath Jan 31, 2024, 12:58 PM

"Why would M̶a̶v̶e̶r̶i̶c̶k̶ Queenin Musuabi call Gaza a one-sided war?" There, fixed that for you.

Matt 218 Jan 31, 2024, 01:43 PM

Fully agree

Geoff Coles Jan 31, 2024, 09:55 AM

An embarrassing article you the ANC spokesperson at the DM

Fernando Moreira Jan 31, 2024, 10:13 AM

Classic " Communist Liberation " tactic.... build up the imaginary enemy around every bush , keep the voter ignorant ! More reason to vote DA

ghowe0 Jan 31, 2024, 10:20 AM

I never doubt the capacity of the ANC. Just when I think they have sunk to the bottom of the barrel, they are able to find a way to sink even lower.

John Kannemeyer Jan 31, 2024, 10:21 AM

"we say this humbly without pointing fingers.." Really who are you trying to kid? you have already done exactly that.

fishingboy Jan 31, 2024, 10:31 AM

Nothing but a sham to get funding for the elections from Iran. Unfortunately we will all suffer - “those that curse Israel will be cursed”. It’s not just a saying, history has a habit of repeating itself!

Beyond Fedup Jan 31, 2024, 10:15 PM

Fayzal- you are obviously a Muslim first and then a human. You are ever so grateful to and would vote again for the odious and wicked anc as lives matter more than corruption, the destruction of a country, the starving and exceedingly poor masses, rape, violence against women and children- so much so and all because of Palestinian lives. What about Ukrainian, Zimbabwean, Sudanese, Chechnyian, Syrian etc lives that your vile and hypocritical anc looked the other way and didn’t utter a word of condemnation, let alone rush to the ICJ. You are indeed a very shallow and gullible individual!

makhanip Jan 31, 2024, 10:34 AM

It's clear that the West are filled with hypocrisy. It's like Black and Brown lives don't matter. If any nation massacred 12 000 babies, they would have been branded as barbaric savages and isolated overnight, bombs would also follow promptly. Nobody can tell me killing Babies is self Defence

ANTHONY MCGUINNESS Jan 31, 2024, 10:37 AM

Is Cyril pre-empting a loss for the ANC at the polls later this year? This is the second set of excuses that he has put out there. It's never the ANC at fault, always someone else's.

William Dryden Jan 31, 2024, 10:42 AM

What people and the ANC do not acknowledge and will not, is that Israel is not fighting the Palestinians, but they are at war with Hamas. Despite all the photographs showing the network of Hamas tunnels under hospitals, schools, and now graveyards, and ammunition hoards inside schools and below shopping malls, the press and ANC chose to ignore this and continue their onslaught against Israel. If Hamas hadn't have launched their attack in October, none of this would have happened.

carolynrab Jan 31, 2024, 10:54 AM

How are the poor and vulnerable in our country going to benefit from the so called victory at the ICJ. Who paid for the for the South African contingent to go to The Hague. Where did the money come from? Tax payers or Iran ? By going on the world stage ,attention has been brought to the fact that our country is so corrupt , inept and unable to govern, so how can they give advice on how to sto the war in Gaza

dexmoodl Jan 31, 2024, 10:56 AM

Now this is hypocrisy doing the right deed ,for the wrong reason. And here i had thought the ANC had a shred of its old principles left. Trust the ANC for continually disappointing me.

Paul.schalkw Jan 31, 2024, 11:02 AM

Aid from the west goes to Palestine. So essentially it goes to Hamas. Hamas comes to SA in Dec 2023 SA opens the ICJ case. Money talks

Ben Harper Feb 1, 2024, 12:59 PM

Not any more, aid has been withdrawn by the West

berneleuvennink Jan 31, 2024, 11:03 AM

What a bunch of clowns. Completely losing every battle at home. No credibility in any facet of life. Now trying to fight battles elsewhere to gain some credibility. Like a father who beats his own wife and children and then hands out food parcels to other families to show what an upstanding family man he is. Idiots.

jnpanter2 Jan 31, 2024, 11:20 AM

Dear Mr ramaphosa, what about Russia and there atrocious acts in Ukraine? No vote from me this time sir.

Pierre VILLAIN Jan 31, 2024, 11:24 AM

What Mr Mbeki does in this international matter ... isn't he the one responsible for complete failure of protecting SA citizens against AIDS, whi is responsible for millions of deaths among our people by negating the medical science to fight the pandemic. ? He should be denied any official position in any public action and any credibility.

louise.roderick Jan 31, 2024, 11:37 AM

And what about the South Africans who have no housing, no water, no electricity, no medical assistance, no jobs and the children who are dying of malnutrition? Is this not genocide?

mgdannatt Jan 31, 2024, 11:52 AM

I believe your report is mis leading in that you state "a majority of judges presiding over the ICJ case granted most of the measures requested by South Africa to prevent a rising genocide in Gaza and the rest of Palestine." This assumes that "genocide " has already been committed. The Judges said that Israel should take steps to prevent genocide which is quite a different matter. Ramaphosa, who speaks with forked tongue, has also twisted the verdict in similar fashion.

markgcfriedman Jan 31, 2024, 11:57 AM

So he has merely now come out and in effect admitted the costly ICJ junket is as much a cynical election ploy as it has been a performative externalisation of current ANC animus towards Jews, simultaneously debasing the meaning of the word genocide. It makes one wonder how much lower they can stoop to Potemkin village skullduggery to hang onto their meal tickets. I wonder how stupid they think voters are.

willie bouwer Jan 31, 2024, 11:59 AM

It's to be expected that this morally bankrupt so called government would try to claim 'victory' for their propagandist and opportunist farce of a court case. All they have achieved is to expose their true loyalties and intentions to the SA citizens. Hopefully they are watching and will put a stop to these communist lackeys in the upcoming elections, but I am not holding my breath....

ALAN PATERSON Jan 31, 2024, 12:08 PM

Ramaphosa, you and your cabal are simply the definitive Vile Bodies. Your posturing after the "victory" in the ICJ was an exercise in pure cynicism after your inglorious movement failed so badly with al-Bashir or the Ukraine war (yes, women and children are dying there too). You really don't care about the Palestinian people or the Islamist rape and terror in Africa. Nor do you care about increasing malnutrition in South African children, drownings in pit toilets, a destitute eastern Cape woman killing her children and herself. All you care about is the survival of your odious party probably with a little help from your friends in Iran, Russia, China. You disgust me.

spengr Jan 31, 2024, 12:19 PM

After Zuma's gross misbehaviour, Ramaphosa entered as our saviour, Well, as time went by, People were asking why, 'Cos he's not Ramaphoria but Ramafailure!

Geoff Coles Jan 31, 2024, 12:39 PM

I looked at a map of the area today. I cannot ever see Gaza being joined with the West Bank, there's a near 50 km separation across Israel.

kevin rosen Jan 31, 2024, 12:56 PM

so mr ramaphosa ... where were you and your case for sudan ? what about the christains in nigeria. how about the matabele in zim yet you and the crocodile are big mates. what about syria and should i mention gender apartheid in iran. i guess you have no comment there because you didnt care. makes me believe the storys re iran paying you or is it just smoke and mirrors to try deflect attention from the mess sa is in. maybe you just care because jews are involved. ..please i laugh at you and yours

Mark Gory Gory Jan 31, 2024, 01:01 PM

“Conscience and principles” yeah right

KealebogaLetsholonyane Jan 31, 2024, 01:56 PM

For once the ANC has done the right thing. We'll done and keep it up ? %

keywo Jan 31, 2024, 02:04 PM

The ANC are really sinking to new depths - or are they preparing the grounds to dispute a lost election? They are crazy enough

Stewart Wood Jan 31, 2024, 02:13 PM

The ANC had little success with the ICJ in truth. Their case aimed at securing 1) a judgement that Israel was intentionally committing genocide and 2) an interdict that Israel cease all ,military action immediately. They accomplished neither of these aims. That is a failure in anyone's book and a win for Israel. This application and hearing cost some R2 billion and one has to ask where did such funds come from, although I think we can work it out?

Dietmar Horn Jan 31, 2024, 02:20 PM

When despots have lost themselves in their fantasy of omnipotence, taking refuge in conspiracy theories seems to be the way to be celebrated by his followers despite the obvious failure. Trump and Putin send their regards, the patterns are always the same.

frank.tilbertonionstien420 Jan 31, 2024, 03:16 PM

“...but we should never doubt the capacity of the ANC-led government” Nobody doubts the lack thereof. How these clowns are still in power is truly mindboggling, every statement now is just a diversion tactic from their consistent miserable failures. At least I don't have to hear about "how far we've come" anymore as if "Things may be made, but just remember they could be worse," is considered a success.

Thinker and Doer Jan 31, 2024, 03:56 PM

No, Mr President, there is no "third force" seeking to undertake "regime change", there is just a sizable proportion of the electorate who sick and tired of corruption, maladministration, looting, and incompetence, and who are fed up with the country being allowed by the government to fall apart and slide into disaster. It is unacceptable for the ANC to try and use the ICJ case as a diversionary tactic to try and distract the electorate from the disaster that the ANC has created, and to try and use the judgment as a populist ploy to gain votes in the election. It is truly a desperate ploy to try to blame others for the substantially declining support for the ANC, when it is the sole creator of the situation that it finds itself in.

D'Esprit Dan Jan 31, 2024, 04:50 PM

Did Karl Niehaus scribble this piece of deranged rubbish about regime change? Yirrrrrre, Cyril! You're gonna get heavy metal poisoning from that tin foil hat you're cowering under as the ANC tanks!

Sarel Lotz Jan 31, 2024, 05:34 PM

Wonder what the goal is of rampies and his party of ……, let me not say it. Long time ago a Canadian friend asked me if I know why these imbeciles want to call our country ‘Azania’. Simple actually, to be first in the handout queue. We are well on our way.

raath Jan 31, 2024, 07:10 PM

I have been in Gaza many times. Gaza is a small area housing just under 600,000 people in apartment buildings. It reminded me of Hillbrow. The massive military actions against Gaza must by now have destroyed the homes of the vast majority of the ordinary people living there. It is past time for the military action against Gaza to stop, but Hamas has to stop as well. The Israel/Gaza border is one of the most extensively guarded borders in the world. A lot of technology (cameras, motion detectors, vibration detectors etc) is deployed there. Only the Israeli border guard authority can, but never will, tell the truth about how the Hamas incursion was allowed to happen and was not countered for hours, allowing the killing, maiming and kidnap of Israelis to take place. The ICJ made a proper ethical interim finding. South Africa should be lauded for leading the application BUT it is such a pity that Ramaphosa and his ilk did this because they and the ANC were paid to do it. Claiming that they initiated the application for humanitarian reasons is nonsense. The sudden burgeoning of the ANC coffers happened because of what they did. To Quote Thomas Eliot (Murder in the Cathedral) "The last act is the greatest treason. To do the right deed for the wrong reason." So congratulations Ramaphosa, you used South African taxpayers money to launch an application at the ICJ and the ANC were handsomely rewarded financially.

Ben Harper Feb 1, 2024, 05:17 AM

Tell us you've never been to Gaza without telling us you've never been to Gaza! 600,000 population - where on earth did you get that number from?

jere Jan 31, 2024, 08:31 PM

In political terminology, the ANC's ICJ case against Israel is a classic case of the "Dead Cat Bounce" This is a tactic used by the Government of a country when it is falling out of favour with its electorate over its failure to bring about the necessary structural and economic reforms to improve the well being of its citizens during its time in power and facing the threat of "obliteration" at the Polls. This is the tactic Ramaphosa and the ANC cronies are using in their case against Israel in The Hague. They are hoping it deflects the minds of SA voters away from the 30 years of economic devastation they have inflicted on the country during their time in office. Its nothing more than a cynical trick wrapped up in the old ANC mantra of an "unseen malevolent third force" actively plotting against the future of SA which all right minded voters can see through and will not fall for in the upcoming General Election.

Anonymous Anonymous Jan 31, 2024, 09:24 PM

Isn't it convenient how this ICJ case conveniently coincides with Iran's entry into the Brics block......Iran ofcourse being Hamas' no. 1 terrorist financier and the main supporter behind the 7 Oct attacks. The incurably corrupt & morally bankrupt ANC, who couldn't care less about the genocide of women & children here in SA, most certainly could NOT care less for any other country's conflict. So perhaps this so-called "regime change agenda" is merely a smoak screen to divert from the ANC's own agenda to remain in power, by cutting a deal with an established terrorist financier nation in Iran, in exchange for help to "win" the upcoming election....

aglinder Jan 31, 2024, 10:01 PM

In 2023 there was an average of ~70 murders per day in South Africa. In 2022 ~75/day. The figure is probably higher in each case, putting it well within the numbers of a war zone. What exactly is the ANC government doing about this brutality on our own soil? I commend the legal team for their efforts in bringing Israel's government to book, but can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy of the ANC claiming the moral high ground.

T'Plana Hath Feb 1, 2024, 01:05 AM

Tested with the Ring of Gyges, you reveal what all of us have known all along. You are no better than the Nats, Cyril.

Yaakov Rashi Feb 1, 2024, 01:13 AM

Do you want to learn the dark art of reshaping your narrative before a decisive elections? We’ll teach you how to go from ‘bumbling ruling party with record-high corruption’ to.. mythical freedom fighter and hypothetical victim of nefarious western superpowers! Kind regards, your instructor and funder: Iran

T'Plana Hath Feb 1, 2024, 01:15 AM

I didn't want to say anything earlier but it is so refreshing that all the sockpuppet accounts here have *finally* done some research and chosen *realistic* South African names to post their crap under! For a while there it was like a bad Hollywood movie where the bad guy is called 'Sibongile Pretorious' or 'Wouter Dlamini'. Y'all make me laugh.

leslievminnen Feb 1, 2024, 03:46 PM

Now Mr. President, do the "right" thing regarding the WAR that Russia started. Lets not forget the billions of dollars in damages to civilian structures and the deaths of thousands of Ukrainians in this illegal war. Lets see the ANC now take Russia to the ICJ. I hope that the AGOA agreements are cancelled. The ANC can then approach Russian , China and Iran for a much better deal then the West has to offer. Hamas leaders live the good life away from the fighting so they can use some of the international aid received from the West to pass on to their friends in the ANC government.

marietjiecoetzer Feb 1, 2024, 06:35 PM

What about first getting the South African country in good working order. Hospitals, Escom, Transnet, Schools and all of the countries infrastructure back in good working order before meddling in other countries

marc36 Feb 1, 2024, 06:37 PM

The useful idiot face Hamas wants you to see. The same ANC, replete with the same characters and their same buddies that has looted and broken SA - suddenly became due north on the world's moral compass? Does anyone really believe this stuff?

Kenneth FAKUDE Feb 1, 2024, 11:41 PM

You got everything right except I am not sure if you intentionally left the occupation, bombing and cleansing in Gaza, west bank and occupied settlements. The indifference or bias on civilian casualties is inhumane to Jews and Palestinians alike. To hell with Agoa we will survive. Sorry to those born with a silver spoon. Europe serves you after you serve their interests right or wrong.

Ken Shai Feb 2, 2024, 06:33 AM

Ramaphosa is 100% US is plotting regime change in South Africa and even before Israel, the US dream is to have a puppet DA government that would take orders from Biden

dcol Feb 2, 2024, 04:08 PM

how come we are hosting a terrorist organization. is this internationly legal?

MUSHTAQ ANWARY Feb 5, 2024, 05:59 PM

The blame for Hamas's action on 7th October rests at the door step of Israel. One cannot expect an oppressed nation not to resist occupation. A proposed Palestinian state within the pre 1967 war boundaries is a huge compromise and sacrifice by the Palestinians which Israel should grab with both hands because the Israel mandated by The UN is much smaller. There is really no legitimacy for Israel to get more land from Palestine than what was provided for by The UN in 1948. If Israel believes that war can get them more land than it should know that land can be lost due to war. The best option for both nations is a just, negotiated solution.